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Acrylic Dome Ports vs Glass Lens Adapters

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Acrylic Dome Ports vs Glass Lens Adapters

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  1. Actually, except for a few flat port housings built for the surfing guys, all of our housings - for the $370 DV camcorders, to the HC3 and FX1/Z1, right though to the $15-$30K broadcast type for VARICAMs and HDCAMs - feature dome port optics. I think corrected underwater optics are essential to good underwater video and we'd be doing our dive customers a disservice if we even confused the issue by offering a simpler flat port case. (If you'd let me get away with a flat port, I could get that new housing out in one long day, instead of two.) We've found over the years that domes are nearly always the best option given extremely high performance and relatively modest cost. The overall image quality is mainly dependant on the quality of the wide angle converter, or the dedicated wide angle in the case of the VARICAM and HDCAMs.

     

    By the way, there seems to an impression out there that the dedicated or built-in underwater optics are somehow inherently superior to the wide angle/dome port combination. Having had the opportunity to build housings for and shoot professionally with every generation of Betacam, Digital Betacam, Ikegami Editcam, and the HD VARICAM and F900 HDCAMs combined with Canon and Fujinon broadcast lenses, from the original High quality wide angle zoom the Canon 6-48mm in 1986 to the Fujinon 4.5-59mm HD zoom in 2006 (ranging in price from $12,000 - $30,000) shooting through dome ports - I can tell you that it just isn't true.

     

    But don't just take my word for it, flip over to the still photo section here on wetpixel and see what they are using with their 8, 12, & 16 megapixel cameras (as opposed to the 1.5 or somegapixels we are working with here on the video side). They all use domes and they are all seem to be acrylic like our standard dome.

     

    If you think somehow motion pictures makes the difference take a look at the IMAX housings - a few years ago we were asked to rebuild the dome port for McGillivray-Freeman's IMAX housing and I was surprised to see that it used the exact same acrylic dome from the exact same manufacturer that we use every day on our housings. I haven't seen Howard Hall's 3D IMAX housing up close, but I know it too has a dome and I suspect that since it is 32" in diameter it is acrylic as well. (We have a glass dome option for many housings, but the main advantage of the glass is that it is easier to get really clean without scratching).

     

    All of the modern camcorders handle the refocusing of the dome just fine with zoom through capability of 5x to 10x (more than enough for most purposes) and full range is easily achieved with a relatively inexpensive add on optic.

     

    We have access to the Fathom optics, but it just hasn't seemed worth it on the HD cameras up to now, although we are looking at it more seriously for the Panasonic HVX200 since the large size of its lens means the wide angle converters are quite expensive also so there is not as much difference between it and the Fathom-type dedicated underwater optic.

     

    One of the things I would like to see on these forums is some fact-based examination of the differences. That is: use some actual charts in a side by side comparison in controlled conditions with the same camera. And not comparing a 100 degree optic with a flat port, or 80 degree optic - but using a comparable high quality wide converter (i.e the $500 - 1000 or so wide converter - which by the way can be used above water as well) and a proper dome and see if there is really any difference, or a significant difference that justifies the cost differential. We've done those kinds of tests with the broadcast lenses over the years, but not recently with the prosumer HD type camcorders. I know what my suspicion of the results will be, but I'd be happy to be convinced otherwise.

    Edited by scubadru
  2. Jolly good show..As they're ment to say here in blighty..

     

    Using lenses thru domes is something I've been keen to see for a while but my housings haven't had that option..Well for the lenses I have already anyway.. It would be nice to be able to use them for the up and under side of filming whilst saving on the old pennies..

     

    Cheers Mike, be good to hear peoples views...

     

    Dive safe

     

    DeanB

  3. Thanks for that, seems you get to play with some nice toys.

     

    My only dislike wth internal wide angles is I like to be able to flip in the macro and shoot that Nudi then look up and flip it out, pull full wide and shoot the Manta all on the same dive. Flipping in a +2 also increase my zoom in abilty more on close subjects. That is once I cannot zoom in any more due to focus, I flip it up and find I can zoom in more for a tighter shot.

    Edited by wagsy
  4. Michael

    Thanks for the rundown. I thought I'd split your post and start it as a new topic since it hasn't been discussed before(but many times in the DSLR section).

    A purpose built lens is basically a WA lens with a built-in dome port. The good ones have superwide angle FOV with minimal distortion, full zoom and even good macro ability.

    The big advantages of a purpose built lens is:

    1. Super wide angle: Often wide angle converters have FOV limited to 90-95° whereas am aspherical lens like the Fathom manages 117° FOV with less than 3% distortion.
    2. Full zoom: This capability allows maximum flexibility in shooting. Using a WA converter behind a dome port, many times full zoom cannot be achieved without adding a diopter to focus on the virtual image.
    3. Flip filters: With the lens being in front of the camera, designing in a gap so that flip filters can be used (or not) without issue.

    Of course the down side is added weight and cost.

    Have a domeport and WA converter vs a u/w lens also affects buoyancy and handling of the housing. The added air of the dome port torques the housing front light and the acrylic is more buoyant than glass. Whereas the built lens torques front heavy due to the vacuum sealing and glass.

    It is a moot point to compare fujinon and canon lenses to WA converters available for fixed lens cameras. At 4.5 and 6mm for the fujinon and Canon respectively, they have a far wider FOV than anything in the WA converters available. Hence the WA built lens is really the only viable option to get SWA 117° FOV with minimal distortion.

    As for the acrylic vs glass issue, doesn't acrylic inherently have higher distortion than optical glass?

    The scratch problem I've found to be the reverse. While the acrylic scratches more easily (especially optically coated ones) , unless you are shooting into bright light, the imperfections can be masked by the water. Acrylic has the same refractive index as water.

    Glass on the other hand, while more resilient, once scratched, it shows more prominently. And it's very expensive to replace.

    Regarding IMAX camera housings, the 3D camera Howard Hall and Bob Cranston used had a 32" glass port weighing 300lbs. Most of the HDCam housings I've seen have glass ports. Optically coated glass gives a better image. And to use your still photo analogy, even Sea & Sea went to glass with their new port (albeit an OEM job).

    Besides the cost and weight (which may be a disadvantage) advantage, the acrylic port can easily be buffed (if not coated) or replaced in field.

    Edited by scubadru
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