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USING FILTERS FOR UW COMPETITIONS

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USING FILTERS FOR UW COMPETITIONS

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  1. Hi, guys

     

    first post here, but quite a long time I have been benefiting from reading you. So many thanks!!!

     

    I have red quite a lot about filters in the forum, but always in the context of dedicated photography (one subject-one dive) and assuming some fiddling later in photoshop. My question is regarding use of filters on competition, where there is no chance of post-processing and time and changing lenses is severely restricted.

     

    I do have a real example: in my next competition we do have to shot this in a 2 hour lapse (that would include a tank dive and snorkeling):

    - 1 ambient photo (with model)

    - 1 black and white photo (with or w/o model)

    - 1 split shot with model

    - 1 ambient photo with model snorkeling (and we are "invited" to the model using and 2*2 meter silk textil)

     

    Not easy, indeed, and even more difficult when having to chose lenses (I own Nikon 10,5, 12-24, 17-55 and Tokina 10-17)

     

    I might go with the 10-17 for ambient, snorkeling and B/W and 12-24 plus split shot filter (half +3 diopter half -2 stops) for the split, so I only change lenses once. I might even try the split with the 10-17 and not changing at all (here you have why I have said bye to my trusty 10,5 ;) ).

     

    The think I am concerned about is that my D200 seems not to handle B/W well and there is no way I can upload a custom curve for it. In past contest I have seen that while Canon records pure black, pure white and the shades of grey, Nikon seem to grab only greys and photos look awfully muddy (I first thought it was related with how I do meter and read about Ansel´s theories, but now I do not think is a metering problem).

     

    Apparently, Canon users can load a "digital" yellow filter to enhance their photos, so I wonder whether to use one in my lenses (not common in digital with the B&W conversion capabilities of Photoshop, but necessary in this case). I guess so, but then we have the versatility problem, I would have to stick with it the rest of the dive. I have thought of the following solutions and I would like to know some ideas from you:

     

    1. -Yellow filter in the flashes (2 Seacam digiflash 250 or 2 Inons Z220): This would allow me to take the filters off and continue making color photos. I am not sure: maybe would give black and white in the nearest focused areas but what would happen to the blue?. OTOH, blue should be gray, so maybe this is OK.

     

    2. -I red of someone using kind of gel filter outside the dome to limit light input in split shots. I doubt I can do something similar with any yellow material :P . BTW, Dr. Mustard, do you carry magic filters for the Seacam Superdome surface? :D:(

     

    3. -Using the yellow filter in the lense for the B/W and later white-balancing so I can keep shooting in color. The camera should handle this, I guess. This would be the case also If I finally made the snorkeling photo with a magic filter, as I am thinking of (people is not using them in competition here, so it might push me to the edge -hope they do not read this- :angry: ). I might white balancing and then making the split shot. Or not? This would be ideal since I will shoot both of them by the shore.

     

    4.- Would the magic filter boost the contrast in B/W so I can take all the photos only with this and no changing at all? This would be of course the best solution. In this scenario I might even think of one more change to use the split filter, but that would depend on how sunny the day is and composition regarding the submerged scene.

     

    Hope not to have extended myself too way long with the post.

     

    Thank you!

  2. Well for a first post.... :angry: you've been holding up for a while !

     

    I would do the split with the Tokina 10-17 or the 10.5 that for me look like the easiest fastest and shurest way to get the job done in 2 hours.

     

    Given the scope of subject matters to cover and the various depth / lighting situation you will have to face, I woul play chicken and stay filter less, I am a big fan of the magic filter, but my experience in mixed lighting and filter tell me you will need setting and testing time for each scenes and the clock will be ticking, if you are tied down fiddling with your menu your not concentrating on your award winning shots.

     

    It never occured to me BTW to try the magic filter in B&W but mi guess it should punch up the contrast a notch.

     

    I had success with a combination of Magic Filter and gel filters on the strobes (a 80B & 15cc Green), actually my Buddy Todd Essick won a competion (and is featured in the new Wetpixel Quaterly) using my rig set up this way. but again it took me a few dive to dial it in.

     

    Buena suerte para la competition !

  3. Magic filters do indeed help B+W images, effectively steepening the contrast curve.

     

    I don't know how well it works in camera, though, as I convert in Photoshop later.

     

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    Tim

     

    B)

  4. Interesting! Well, I think the filters will help you with the completely underwater shots but will hinder you for the under/over. I think the split diopter will help a lot w/ the under/over shot. I would not recommend using the fisheye for the under/over shot if there will be a model near the corners of the frame.

     

    Cheers

    James

  5. Sounds like a fun competition, Pedro.

     

    MF filters will boost contrast a bit for black and white, but for even more dramatic results I would suggest using a Wratten 22 (strong orange filter). I find orange filters are much more effective than yellow filters (which are better on land) to boost contrast underwater. For more info see an article by Paul Carre in UWP 38:

    http://www.uwpmag.com/

    that compares black and whites taken with no filter, magic filter and wratten 22.

     

    Also if you are shooting JPG you should also adjust your camera's tone and contrast settings to boost contrast.

     

    I agree with James about removing a MF for split levels. It is possible to set a WB that will counter act the action of the filter, but such a strong WB adjustment will degrade image quality to some degree.

     

    Hope that this helps,

     

    Alex

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