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Fishing show audio?

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Fishing show audio?

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  1. Just got a gig producing a fishing show and am a bit perplexed about the best ways to capture audio of the action. It will all be happening in the cockpit of larger fishing boats (no center consoles, 50' and over), however space will be at a premium so I don't want to have to bring an extra person, in addition to another camera man, to work a shotgun. Lavalieres will sound like a fight scene on jerry springer when a fish is on. I'm thinking about mounting shotguns down low, between the gunwales and the deck, and shooting up and back. They will be out of the wind and I can run the wires under the gunwale back to the recorder. Has anyone done anything like this? Any random thoughts. I don't have the luxury of a dry run so I need to hash this out the best I can before "show time"

     

    thanks

    cw

  2. Hi

    Congrats on your new GIG but maybe you should go and post/ask on a fishing forum.

     

    I think most of us here just want to capture & promote the beauty of the animals underwater.

    Edited by wagsy
  3. Ask here.

  4. I could have just slinked away with my tail between my legs like a dog that was just smacked with a news paper but I have decided to seize an opportunity.

     

    My intent here is not to get into some sort of conservation pissing contest, however, I must reply. I have spent the entirety of my professional life championing the cause of wildlife conservation. I attended university for nine years and studied biological oceanography for the sole purpose of furthering the cause from a well informed position. Since, I have chosen a career where I felt as though I could reach the largest audience in order to help the masses appreciate nature enough to want to conserve it (I certainly could have chosen a much more lucrative career). My public educational philosophy is one based on creating a dialog with an audience and not one where you call them names and beat them into submission. The challenge that we all face is how to foster a greater appreciation for the natural world and how to encourage a sense of stewardship for the one planet that we have the privilege of inhabiting. You can find my work at The American Museum of Natural History, The National Aquarium, Discovery, for the National Marine Sanctuary program, Wildlife Conservation Association, and at countless other Museums, Zoos, Aquariums, and media outlets.

     

    Concerning the fishing show: If we allow the "kill and grill" crowd to control the message, we miss a great opportunity to reach an extremely large segment of the population who spend a significant amount of time on the water, and who have a large steak (no pun intended) in seeing it preserved. And their vote counts just as much as mine and yours. Granted, during the show there will be some killing and there will be some grilling, but if we can convince people that just because you can catch that many fish doesn't mean that you have to keep that many fish, it will go a long way in furthering the cause. Not to mention all the good information that has been gained from tag and release programs around the world. I love to fish, and the idea of selectively killing ONE fish for my dinner, instead of the innumerable masses that are killed as bycatch for a commercially harvested one at the grocery story allows me to sleep very soundly at night. Fishermen can be conservation organizations biggest allies.

     

    I check these forums numerous time throughout my day, contributing where I can, and have always appreciated the valuable info that I have taken away. I would like to feel as though I were part of a community of like-minded individuals, which I think that I am. I will, unfortunately, be a little more reluctant to post in the future. I appologize if you felt as though my post were off topic, but if anyone has captured audio with video on a windy, action-pact boat, I figured I would find them here. There will be a large underwater component to the program. I don't think I'll find a lot of help on the fishing forums. I will try the site that Nick suggested.

    Thanks for that.

     

    Sorry for the rant. :)

     

    Chris

  5. Chris,

     

    Just for the record, we all have different points of view. Wetpixel is a very conservation minded community, but we also are very inclusive. Don't let one or two opposing comments dissuade you from posting in the future.

     

    I for one love fishing and I've even been known to eat a fish I've caught. I eat fish, so to me I'd rather eat a line-caught wahoo than a commercially caught fish any day.

     

    Cheers

    James

  6. Sorry about that last post - managed to get a quote with no input of mine...

     

    If you're in the production business you've probably seen the boom mics that have a large windscreen surrounding them so that they can be used outdoors. I don't know if the boat is going to be moving at any rate as the people fish, which could affect the capability of the best of windscreens. I've seen brand-produced windscreens for shotguns, but they are only effective in the lightest of winds in my experience. Usually having a close-mounted windscreen inside a larger, space-protected shell windscreen works best (compared to one windscreen only).

     

    If you can get higher and look down you may get better sound if the wind isn't a problem. Down low you may get lots of foot shuffling and clunking along the deck, although you didn't say how "low" the gunwhales might be on this boat.

     

    Another problem may be the sync of what sounds you get with the picture. I'm not talking about timecode but the thought that you may have a visual of one fisherman and sounds of very different actions by others on the tape and have a hard time getting the two together. From the description you listed of 50' boat size, it would seem to me that there could be a lot going on. Will there be more than one camera?

     

    It sounds like a challenging assignment from an audio point of view. Robert Altman used to record 8 channels with different mics and then cut in the audio track he wanted as applicable. He was the only one crazy enough to do that regularly, and that is probably beyond your budget among other things of course, but is illustrative of the problem of not shooting direct visual/audio units on a 1-on1 basis.

     

    Another way to do things might be with some good RF mics; at least it would alleviate potential cabling problems.

     

    Hope a little discussion on this is of some help.

    Edited by pablo
  7. Yes Pablo you certainly understand my dilemma. Sounds like you have some experience in this arena. Like most underwater guys, audio to me is usually an afterthought. We are going to be working as much as 100 miles from the nearest land mass, so wind will definitely be an issue. I didn't even think about the foot steps on the deck. I have worked fairly extensively with hydrophones and waves hitting the sides of the boat is often a problem, so I'd bet that it would also get in the way here.

    Hmmmmm

    No easy answers. I'll keep you posted.

    Thanks for the input

     

    cw

  8. A lot of the wind noise can be lessened in post. One more thing to do but that's life. There are definitely more than a few ways to do this production and it really depends on your budget and knowledge. The easiest is to get the topside soundtrack and use efx sounds for the underwater stuff and mix both together.

    I recently cut a demo reel using soundtrack and sound efx with a friend. You can buy these efx. Check my DV expo report from 2006. There's a section on audio efx.

  9. Chris,

     

    Just for the record, we all have different points of view. Wetpixel is a very conservation minded community, but we also are very inclusive. Don't let one or two opposing comments dissuade you from posting in the future.

     

    I for one love fishing and I've even been known to eat a fish I've caught. I eat fish, so to me I'd rather eat a line-caught wahoo than a commercially caught fish any day.

     

    Cheers

    James

     

    Yes you are correct James but....

    there is a difference in going out to catch for a feed and going out to just harras and drag the life around for no other reason but fun. :)

     

    Radio Mikes.

    Edited by wagsy
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