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Nikon 14 -24 lens / Sigma 17 - 70 HSM

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Nikon 14 -24 lens / Sigma 17 - 70 HSM

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  1. Once again it is toy time - as in "I want a new toy". Has anybody had the new Nikon 14 - 24 in the water yet? It looks like an awesome lens but it retails for around $1700+ and is about $800+ more (street price) than the Nikon 12 - 24. The biggest difference seems to be - as near as I can tell - slightly closer focusing distance than the 12 - 24. Any other big advantages? Of course my new favorite wide angle is the Tokina 10 - 17 fisheye. In fact I may have to put my Nikon 10.5 on E-bay since I cannot see any real reason to keep carrying it with me.

    I just got the new Sigma 17 - 70 HSM to replace my Nikon 18 - 70 kit lens but have not had it in the water yet - I am eagerly awaiting Jean Bruneau (and his friends at Aquatica) to come up with a zoom ring for this new toy. This looks like it should be a good general purpose lens for varying conditions - like that reef that may have big sharks on one end and nudibranches on the other. Has anybody played with this one in the water yet?

     

    happy holidays.

    Andy

  2. Once again it is toy time - as in "I want a new toy". Has anybody had the new Nikon 14 - 24 in the water yet? It looks like an awesome lens but it retails for around $1700+ and is about $800+ more (street price) than the Nikon 12 - 24. The biggest difference seems to be - as near as I can tell - slightly closer focusing distance than the 12 - 24. Any other big advantages? Of course my new favorite wide angle is the Tokina 10 - 17 fisheye. In fact I may have to put my Nikon 10.5 on E-bay since I cannot see any real reason to keep carrying it with me.

    I just got the new Sigma 17 - 70 HSM to replace my Nikon 18 - 70 kit lens but have not had it in the water yet - I am eagerly awaiting Jean Bruneau (and his friends at Aquatica) to come up with a zoom ring for this new toy. This looks like it should be a good general purpose lens for varying conditions - like that reef that may have big sharks on one end and nudibranches on the other. Has anybody played with this one in the water yet?

     

    happy holidays.

    Andy

     

    I just picked up this lens, but am a few months away from getting this in the water. I am awaiting Jean & Aquatica to come up with a D3 housing, which may be a few months away. But it is a fantastic lens topside, with amazing corner sharpness.

  3. I got this lens a long time ago, I shoot it on Ikelite with big dome. I mostly use it when I don´t know what to expect or when I travel for other reasons different that diving and have the chance for a couple of dives.

     

    Great UW lens and one of my favorites topside. Both photos taked with this lens.

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  4. From these pics - at least the second one- edge sharpness looks good. Have you compared this to the 12-24? I use Subal, what size dome and extension do you use?

  5. From these pics - at least the second one- edge sharpness looks good. Have you compared this to the 12-24? I use Subal, what size dome and extension do you use?

     

    Felix:

    Were your shots with the Sigma 17 - 70 (as I suspect based upon the fairy basslet) or the Nikon 14 - 24? Assuming you were using the Sigma - is it the new HSM version or the older non-HSM version?

    Andy

  6. Has anybody had the new Nikon 14 - 24 in the water yet? It looks like an awesome lens but it retails for around $1700+ and is about $800+ more (street price) than the Nikon 12 - 24. The biggest difference seems to be - as near as I can tell - slightly closer focusing distance than the 12 - 24. Any other big advantages?

     

     

    The new 14-24 is an awesome lens to be sure. I'm certain that we will see many of these lenses underwater one way or another and their amazing results. However there are some things you should know about this lens in addition to the high price you state.

     

    The real advantages of this lens is ultra wide (weitwinkel) angle, with never-before seen corner sharpness and fast aperture. The first two points only apply to FX size sensors and flim cameras, which for now means either the D3 or the F6. There is no reason to go through the trouble and expense to house this lens on a DX sized sensor camera D70,80,D200,D300. On an FX sensor the FOV will be much wider (114 degrees) than the 12-24mm on a DX sensor (99 degrees) and with sharper corners by all accounts than ever before--even with the 14mm prime. Additionally, the AFS and F2.8 should make focusing faster--although the 12-24mm isn't bad. If you can somehow rig a filter for this lens on a D3 it will make a killer combination of well-balanced WA with high ISO and large aperture.

     

    There are however some liabilities with using this lens, the first of which is the high price. The lens is also very thick including the non-removable shade that may not even fit through some port systems. The close focus probably isn't any better than the 12-24mm, which is stated as as close as 10" at 24mm, but at 14mm it's probably greater. So housing this in a dome is probably going to be problematic. With the 12-24mm and most zooms the solution is simple--add a diopter but you can't since this lens does not acept any kind of filter. Therefore the edge sharpness that is so hearelded in this lens may be impossible to obtain underwater. Also, since there is no provision to mount a filter many will not want to risk the camera (in this case a D3) or lens with some duct-taped solution. Any solution will require a custom port and probably huge ~12" dome that will no doubt be even more expensive and unwieldy. And of course none of this makes any sense unless you have a D3.

     

    I'll probably get one anyway but not before others have well trodded the port path and there exists a D300 class FX sensor camera. I can't wait to see the pictures!

     

    If on the other hand you want to stick with the D200, then I would suggest the 12-24mm. It gets great wide angles of shipwrecks and other straight lined subjects and truly works as a multi-purpose lens. The 14-24mm has a smaller range and 24mm on FX is not close enough for most subjects. Keep the 10.5mm for fast aperture filter photography, and use tthe 10-17mm for ultra-wide (weitwinkel) zooming.

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  7. Have you compared this to the 12-24?

    Sorry, no.

     

    I use Subal, what size dome and extension do you use?

     

    I shoot Ikelite, the shark shot was taken with a 6" dome and the basslet was taken behind a 8" dome with the extended zoom ring. I belive Alex Mustard shoot it under Subal.

     

    Felix:

    Were your shots with the Sigma 17 - 70 (as I suspect based upon the fairy basslet) or the Nikon 14 - 24? Assuming you were using the Sigma - is it the new HSM version or the older non-HSM version?

    Andy

    The non HSM version of sigma 17-70. As you suspected, to take a close shot of a basslet with a 14-24 you´ll need the fish to be dissected.. :excl:

  8. There are however some liabilities with using this lens, the first of which is the high price. The lens is also very thick including the non-removable shade that may not even fit through some port systems. The close focus probably isn't any better than the 12-24mm, which is stated as as close as 10" at 24mm, but at 14mm it's probably greater. So housing this in a dome is probably going to be problematic. With the 12-24mm and most zooms the solution is simple--add a diopter but you can't since this lens does not acept any kind of filter. Therefore the edge sharpness that is so hearelded in this lens may be impossible to obtain underwater.

    Lots of good points.

     

    Yep, it will be interesting to see if there's a good underwater solution for the 14-24mm. I went ahead and got it along with the D3 even though I realize the lens may never get submerged.

     

    As far as close focus goes, the lens' specs state 0.28m/0.92ft in the 18-24mm range and 0.3m/0.98ft in the 14-18mm range. The distance between the focal plane and the tip of the lens shade is about 7".

     

    Cheers,

     

    Liz

  9. Thanks Liz for that spec. I haven't seen the 14-18mm CFD spec posted anywhere before. This puts it about the same as the 12-24mm which needs a diopter behind 6" domes and benifits from a diopter behind 8" domes as well.

     

    I'm sure you will be thrilled with the lens weather you ever house it or not. I'm certain that someone will figure out a way to get one of these underwater--wheather it can be done in a convienient way is an open question.

     

    Happy shooting!

  10. Thanks Liz for that spec. I haven't seen the 14-18mm CFD spec posted anywhere before. This puts it about the same as the 12-24mm which needs a diopter behind 6" domes and benifits from a diopter behind 8" domes as well.

     

    I'm sure you will be thrilled with the lens weather you ever house it or not. I'm certain that someone will figure out a way to get one of these underwater--wheather it can be done in a convienient way is an open question.

     

    Happy shooting!

    Things are looking a bit more promising on this front: I found out that Subal is supposed to be coming out with a D3 housing (the ND3) around February that will have a larger port opening. They'll have new ports to go with the larger opening as well, including a 10" dome. That combo may help solve at least two of the problems you listed (lens girth and nowhere to stick a diopter)... We'll see...

     

    Happy shooting too!

     

    Liz

  11. This lens, and the D3 in general, are really exciting and might get me to switch from Oly.

     

    I have the Oly 7-14mm zoom, which is a 14-28mm equiv in film. It's a fantastic lens, wonderful color and sharpness, I'd really like to see how it compares to the new 14-24. On brightness alone, the 14-24 wins, it's f2.8 vs f4 for the oly.

     

    The oly really suffers in water in the corners. I suspect that the 14-24 will, too, so it may not be worth the huge investment to me, so it's wait and see mode for me.

     

    I wish someone would make a parabolic (rather than spherical) dome and correct this problem properly, I think that would do it.

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