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G10 setup , housing strobes , wet lenses (yes another thred to help a Nubie)

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G10 setup , housing strobes , wet lenses (yes another thred to help a Nubie)

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  1. Hi everyone

     

    I am looking at getting the Patima G10 housing

    putting two INON 2000 strobes on it and grabbing some INON wet lenses for macro and wide angle work.

     

    What i want is maximum flexibility with good performance.

     

    BEING A COMPLETE NUBIE: what i need is guru like advice before i shell out my hard earned monies.

     

    1. Will this be a a good system, Does anyone have anything like this and care to comment?

    2. Does optical TTL work with Patima?

    3. Which wet macro lense and how many, i read they are stackable and i saw some guy took some awesome shots yusing a G10 with strackable macro lenses?

    4. Which wide angle lense and what the hell is vignetting? It sounds like some sort of cheap red wine that students drink!

     

    Thanks in advance

     

    Zig

  2. 1. Yes, it's a great starter system. In that price range I would probably look at the Seatool/Fisheye FIX housing instead for reasons highlighted in #4. You seam to be looking for a very flexible camera, though, and I must say that flexibility is not the strongest point of the G10 due to it's lens design.

     

    2. Optical TTL should work with any available housing. (A housing with no window for flash would be, well, dumb!)

     

    3. To start, you can skip macro lenses. The G10 has pretty good macro built in. Stacking more than one would turn a G10 into a microscope, IMO. With 14+ megapixels, you can also crop pretty aggressively. After diving with the system you can decide if you want or need more macro power.

     

    4. The Patima comes with two ports. One allows you to use the entire focal range of the lens. The other allows you to attach macro lenses, but limits wide angle. I prefer the Seatool housng because the standard port allows the full focal range, and the optional one give true wideangle. The downside of the G10 is that no housing allows both macro and wide-angle to be used on the same dive. Ikelite comes closest, but the wide angle is modest. This is what I mean about the G10 not being terribly flexible.

     

    For a more flexible system, I would look at the Sea & Sea DX-G1 or soon to be released DX-G2. These accept the full spectrum of wet-mount lenses right out of the box. There are others that do to, but the aren't as wide or as good at close focus. The S&S cameras aren't perfect (no camera is) but I think they suit what you've described as your primary goal.

     

    Vignetting -- the condition resulting from a port blocking the corners of the photo. It is most noticeable as darkening of the corners, but also causes a softening of focus in the corners. In the worst cases, you literally get a round image surrounded by black.

  3. Thanks for you replies, it is much appreciated!

     

    cheers Zig

  4. I'm about ready to go for a g10 myself..

     

    For less money than fix or patima, you can get the Ike housing, and have wired TTL, and a couple of ike strobes. Great products from a great company with unbelievably good support.

     

    Wired TTL is more reliable than optical.

     

    The new ike dome for the g10 housing brings it up to a full 28mm equiv fov, while still maintaining full zoom range.

     

    I also agree that the S&S dx-g2 looks incredibly promising!

     

    I would sure love to hear from someone who has compared the auto focus and shutter lag of the G10 vs the ricoh/s&s to see if one is much different in the dim lighting/low contrast so typical underwater...

     

    Don

  5. I'm about ready to go for a g10 myself..

     

    For less money than fix or patima, you can get the Ike housing, and have wired TTL, and a couple of ike strobes. Great products from a great company with unbelievably good support.

     

    Wired TTL is more reliable than optical.

     

    The new ike dome for the g10 housing brings it up to a full 28mm equiv fov, while still maintaining full zoom range.

     

    Don

     

    I just went through the same thing and decided to get the Canon G10 as well. Mine came in a few weeks ago and, I must admit, this is an impressive camera. Fantastic resolution and really amazing image quality. I'm very impressed with the dedicated dials for exposure compensation and ISO settings. The menus are easy to navigate and well thought out. The camera's only real weak point is its noise at higher ISO settings, but it's fine up to ISO 200.

     

    I have had very poor results using optical TTL systems in the past, so I bought the Ikelite 6146.10 housing for my G10. It's a solidly built and very well thought out housing, with controls for every G10 function. The camera is secured to the removable back plate via a thumb screw that fits into the tripod socket. The eTTL module is on the back plate, and the connector plugs into the camera's hot shoe. The back plate and camera can then be inserted into the main housing as a single unit. A sync cord then connects the housing to my Ikelite DS-125 strobe, which can be left in TTL mode.

     

    Ikelite suggests using the G10 in Av mode and ISO 80. Since this camera can shoot from Bulb all the way up to 1/4000 second, this gives the camera great exposure flexibility under water. If set to Tv, the f/stop range is limited and can result in overexposures. I'm still not sure why Ikelite doesn't recommend P mode, but I expect I'll find out when I finally get a chance to test this system in the water.

     

    The Canon housing is also decent, but like most other housings, does not offer eTTL and must either be used in manual mode or as an optical TTL unit that's fired by the camera's built in flash.

     

    Stan

  6. I just went through the same thing and decided to get the Canon G10 as well. Mine came in a few weeks ago and, I must admit, this is an impressive camera. Fantastic resolution and really amazing image quality. I'm very impressed with the dedicated dials for exposure compensation and ISO settings. The menus are easy to navigate and well thought out. The camera's only real weak point is its noise at higher ISO settings, but it's fine up to ISO 200.

     

    I have had very poor results using optical TTL systems in the past, so I bought the Ikelite 6146.10 housing for my G10. It's a solidly built and very well thought out housing, with controls for every G10 function. The camera is secured to the removable back plate via a thumb screw that fits into the tripod socket. The eTTL module is on the back plate, and the connector plugs into the camera's hot shoe. The back plate and camera can then be inserted into the main housing as a single unit. A sync cord then connects the housing to my Ikelite DS-125 strobe, which can be left in TTL mode.

     

    Ikelite suggests using the G10 in Av mode and ISO 80. Since this camera can shoot from Bulb all the way up to 1/4000 second, this gives the camera great exposure flexibility under water. If set to Tv, the f/stop range is limited and can result in overexposures. I'm still not sure why Ikelite doesn't recommend P mode, but I expect I'll find out when I finally get a chance to test this system in the water.

     

    The Canon housing is also decent, but like most other housings, does not offer eTTL and must either be used in manual mode or as an optical TTL unit that's fired by the camera's built in flash.

     

    Stan

     

    Program mode is not recommended because you cannot easily control the ambient light to flash mix. That's critical if you want nice deep blue water or black backgrounds in macro shots. Of course, manual mode would be best but Canon, in all their wisdom, don't allow TTL flash in manual mode ... too bad.

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