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Limited budget

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  1. I'm off to the wakatobi national park in SE Sulawesi, Indonesia this summer. I've been thinking about getting the G10 with the canon housing since I do some RAW editing when taking topside shots. This is the very most I can spend though, so getting a strobe as well isn't really an option. For about half the price I can get a Panasonic P&S with housing that doesn't do RAW. And finally there's the option of getting a dedicated uw camera, which I don't know anything(!) about...

     

    Which of the three would you choose and where do I get the best image quality for the least money?

     

    Thanks

  2. I'm off to the wakatobi national park in SE Sulawesi, Indonesia this summer. I've been thinking about getting the G10 with the canon housing since I do some RAW editing when taking topside shots. This is the very most I can spend though, so getting a strobe as well isn't really an option. For about half the price I can get a Panasonic P&S with housing that doesn't do RAW. And finally there's the option of getting a dedicated uw camera, which I don't know anything(!) about...

     

    Which of the three would you choose and where do I get the best image quality for the least money?

     

    Thanks

    You really can't afford another $400-500 on top of all that expense for a strobe?

     

    I'd recommend you get the G10 with the Canon housing and a single INON S-2000 external strobe. The strobe will make FAR more difference than one camera or another, although RAW is quite helpful for getting the WB "correct". Without a decent strobe - regardless of camera - you'll be quite limited.

  3. Regardless of the camera, you'll be disappointed without a strobe even with the ability to post white-balance in RAW. Just my 2 cents.

  4. Regardless of the camera, you'll be disappointed without a strobe even with the ability to post white-balance in RAW. Just my 2 cents.

     

     

    Ok, thanks to both of you. I'll look into the strobes then. My budget limits me to a panasonic P&S with housing and a strobe. Any recommendations on which one to get? It's pretty important to me that the camera is panasonic.. From the housing lineup it looks like either a Ps3/5 og tz4/5..

  5. Regardless of the camera, you'll be disappointed without a strobe even with the ability to post white-balance in RAW. Just my 2 cents.

     

     

     

     

    I dont agree with this statement. Have a look at Brian Mayes collection on Flickr. He shoots with the Canon G9 and only uses internal lighting.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianmayes/

     

    Obviously there are some shots that will require strobe lighting, but I would say by the look of Brians galleries you can do quite a bit without them.

     

    All the best,

     

    Stew

  6. I dont agree with this statement. Have a look at Brian Mayes collection on Flickr. He shoots with the Canon G9 and only uses internal lighting.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianmayes/

     

    Obviously there are some shots that will require strobe lighting, but I would say by the look of Brians galleries you can do quite a bit without them.

     

    All the best,

     

    Stew

     

     

    Wow, that's interesting Stew! After looking at strobes I think it's a given.. I'll get a Panny p&s in a housing without a strobe. I'm a complete newbie in uwphoto and relatively inexperienced diver, so I don't wanna get my hands too full. It'll give me some experience with uwphoto and if not perfect shots, at least some memories. Would that be a complete waste of money?

  7. Brian does GREAT work with that setup, but it is extremely limiting and requires quite a lot of skill to do what he does. He also uses stacked macro adapters and is not a newbie to u/w photography or diving.

     

    It's your trip ... so you do what makes sense for you ... but if you take a panasonic P&S with no strobe I can almost guarantee you'll be disappointed with your images.

  8. Brian does GREAT work with that setup, but it is extremely limiting and requires quite a lot of skill to do what he does. He also uses stacked macro adapters and is not a newbie to u/w photography or diving.

     

    It's your trip ... so you do what makes sense for you ... but if you take a panasonic P&S with no strobe I can almost guarantee you'll be disappointed with your images.

     

     

    okay, is it possible to get strobes for any of the panasonic p&s cameras with the Panasonic housing? - please forgive my stupidity :rolleyes:

  9. And preferably one that's cheaper than the Inon S2000, if possible...

  10. And preferably one that's cheaper than the Inon S2000, if possible...

     

    have a look in the classified section on here or on Ebay. you never know what bargains are about

     

    Stew

  11. And preferably one that's cheaper than the Inon S2000, if possible...

    What do you intend to shoot as far as subject matter?

  12. What do you intend to shoot as far as subject matter?

     

     

    Good question! :rolleyes: Anything interesting that I might come across. It's in the coral triangle so hopefuly it'll be all sorts of things. I don't necessarily need to be able to light up huge areas of a reef, although part of the trip includes looking for megafauna, so with a little luck I get to try out the camera with a whaleshark as subject. I'd love for it to be an "all-round strobe", but I can do with less. Does this answer your question?

  13. I'm a complete newbie in uwphoto and relatively inexperienced diver, so I don't wanna get my hands too full. It'll give me some experience with uwphoto and if not perfect shots, at least some memories. Would that be a complete waste of money?

     

    I'll put in the obligatory caution here. My opinion only, but I think it is important to meniton. Photography is something that a diver should not really engage in until he or she has a few dives under his or her belt. If you have a really good handle on buoyancy control, you'll be much more able to protect the reef, AND it will make your photography a heck of a lot better. I do know people that get this faster than others, so I don't mean to offend anyone by implying they are flying around underwater bouncing off stuff -- that being said I always cringe a bit when I see "relatively inexperieced diver" and "photos" in the same sentence. I'd also add here that the dive guides at Wakatobi are infamous for their zeal in protecting the reef. So, if you are not careful in how you handle the camera and yourself you may get some "feedback" from them that may not be all that kind.

     

    I don't have much experience with Panasonics, but I did shoot a series of point and shoot cameras before switching over to a DSLR rig. It IS possible to get some nice shots with a point and shoot and only the internal strobe. In fact, if you are new at this, you might WANT to start without a whole bunch of extra stuff to worry about. Try the camera with the internal strobe and get used to the controls. When you are ready to move up to the next level, then worry about adding optional equipment. However, you have to work within the cameras limitations. Due to the limited power of the strobe, you will likely only be able to light a small area and you'll need to be within a couple (1-2) feet of what you are shooting. For "megafauna", you'll be working with available light anyway (unless you have a wide angle lens and strobes) so you will likely only get a "souvenir" shot unless the water is very clear and shallow. Another thing that I'll add is that you have to think about whether you want to grow this into something more than a one-trip-gotta-have-memories type of thing. If you do, spend a bit more now to get a better camera. I appreciate brand loyalty, but in my considred opinion, statements like "it is important to me that it be a Panasonic" are a bit hard to understand in the point and shoot arena. Memory cards don't care what kind of camera you have and I would submit that it isn't all that hard to learn the controls of a different brand of camera if you invest a small amount of time. It isn't like you have a collection of lenses that wont' fit! Having said that, I looked at the Panny models you list. I can't find a "PS" anything on their website so I'm not sure on those two, but the TZ series is a "superzoom" style camera. In my experience, cameras with large amounts of optical zoom are too much of a compromise for underwater but it does have a fairly wide lens so you might be OK. Another thing that I'd recommend to anyone wanting to get serious about this is that the camera hav a manual shooting mode. I don't think the TZ series has this. And, look at strobe compatibility NOW rather than later if you think you might go that route. Hard pill to swallow to buy a rig, start to like it, and then realize there is no upgrade path. You might want to get in touch with a retailer (see sponsor list for this site) who has experience with a range of point and shoot cameras and can give you some tips on what your options are.

     

    Bottom line, if your goal is to get some memories and you can live within the limitations of the camera, then it'r probably worth it, especially if you are planning to get a camera anyway for topside snapshots (so, if you want a TZ for topside use and can live with the limitations underwater, then fine). Just keep your expectations in check.

     

    Mike

  14. Thanks for that very thorough advice Mike!

     

    In no way did you offend me, I'm very aware that I have to freshen up my skills before taking anything below surface (other than a tank, that is), and along with the price this has also been one of my concerns regarding a strobe.

     

    I prefer Panasonic only because I know a dealer, so it's a bit cheaper for me than most other brands. I shoot a nikon dslr topside so it's not really a case of brand religion, although I must admit that I am prone to that.

     

    However, based on all the comments, I think I'll see if can get a hold of a P&S that will do the job for now, without a strobe but with the option of adding one later. I might check if anything second hand looks worth while. I can then use it when I feel my skills are adequate and start getting some experince with handling a camera underwater. I have a couple of months out there, so I should have plenty of time to get used to diving with a camera...

     

    Thanks to all of you for your advice!

Marelux

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