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Fraud Alert!!!

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  1. Folks:

     

    Fraud is alive and well on this and other forums. Con artists are actively searching listings on this and other forums, and contacting sellers and buyers of items.

     

    Be careful of whom you deal with. Above all, if you ever get an email asking you to send money to Western Union, all your warning alarms should go off.

     

    I listed a used drysuit for sale here, and on rebreatherworld and scubaboard. The person below (I have changed names to XXXX and YYYYY to protect myself from lawsuits) wrote me, expressing interest. He said he would send a certified check. I received a check today via UPS Next Day Air (tracking shows it was from Pennsylvania, and the check is from some car company in LA) for much more than the sale price of the drysuit. I then received the email below an hour later, stating:

     

    > i sent a check to you, though it was above the amount that was to be sent to

    > you.my accounting officer made a mistake ans sent you 3000usd which was

    > supposed to be my monthly salary,pls ill be happy if you cash the check and

    > send the balance via western to

    > Mr XXX YYYY

    > ADDRESS XXX YYYY Dr, XXX city, UT 84070

    > he is the shipper

     

     

    Be forewarned! I suspect that the con artist saw my notice on another forum than wetpixel, but have no evidence to support this.

     

    If anyone knows of any way that I can fairly easily report this to the proper authorities, I’d appreciate knowing so that these guys can get caught. I’ve called the Utah city police department, who advised me to contact my local city police department. I did that, and my wonderful police department advised me that I would have to make a report with an officer. The dispatcher told me that he would have no idea if the department would follow through or not if I made a report. I am not going to waste my time with the local police given my past experiences with them.

     

    Norbert Wu

  2. If it was sent to you via mail, you can involve US Postal Authorities, but to be honest, I'd save my breath. Cashiers checks are pretty much the same as other checks, and I would not accept them for payment, without knowing something about the person.

     

    Jack

  3. Do not deposite the check!!!!!!!!!! I have heard of this, it will give him information of your account. when you send him back the amount owed him your account will be emptied.

  4. We have a consumer advocate that typically helps locals who have been wrongly done by others. He maybe intrested in helping someone outside the state who has been riped off by someone inside our state.

     

    http://www.kutv.com/content/gephardt/default.aspx

     

    Would you like me to go XXX YYYY Dr, XXX city, UT 84070 and leave a pile of s_it on his doorstep?

  5. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I've filed a report here:

     

    http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

     

    And rogue, I've contacted Gephardt also. Great that there is someone there that might be able to do something here. I bet he continues to get away with it, however. Bad behavior seems to be rewarded in our society.

     

    Norb

     

     

    We have a consumer advocate that typically helps locals who have been wrongly done by others. He maybe intrested in helping someone outside the state who has been riped off by someone inside our state.

     

    http://www.kutv.com/content/gephardt/default.aspx

     

    Would you like me to go XXX YYYY Dr, XXX city, UT 84070 and leave a pile of s_it on his doorstep?

  6. Don't cash the check, you will be the one at fault, from what I've read.

     

    Those kinds of scams are rampant on Craig's List. I advertised something for sale on Craigs List, and recd numerous emails similar to yours, which raised a red flag, so I Googled it and discovered numerous similar buying-selling scams.

     

    Never accept cashier's checks especially, or money-grams from strangers. Its scary out there.

  7. As much as I dislike some of Paypal's policies and fees (hold period, etc.) and acknowledge they're no 'guarantee' either...issues like this are why I'll use them in any personal transactions, via ebay or otherwise. Too many <bleep>heads out there.

  8. You have a point, but I am not sure how much Paypal stands behind its customers. Off the top of my head, here are things I've experienced with Paypal that I have found pretty negative:

     

    1. As a buyer, I purchased a camera from a web storefront almost a year ago and paid using a credit card through Paypal. The web storefront proved to be fraudulent and never sent me the camera. Now, if I had paid using my credit card directly rather than through Paypal, I would have been completely protected without much of a hassle factor. All I would have to do is call my credit card company, enter a dispute, and the transaction would have been immediately voided and all money returned. I can attest to this as I know the law regarding credit cards (at least up to now). You as the consumer are always protected from credit card fraud by law for anything beyond $50. And just about all credit card companies will cover that last $50 also. (I was even refunded four months after I made an annual payment to Digital Railroad, a company that I leased software from for my website photo search engine, which got greedy and went bankrupt. The credit card company investigated the matter and refunded me the remaining eight or nine months out of the amount I had paid, which I thought was very cool).

     

    Now, back to the above ripoff -- Paypal is just a middleman between the customer and the credit card. They took weeks to investigate the matter, kept asking me for more information, treated the matter in their usual incredibly impersonal (computer-phone tree) way that makes everyone but the most dedicated give up, and they finally refunded most of my money but kept something like $22 with no explanation.

     

    I then called my credit card company, explained the situation, and boom -- all my money was credited back.

     

    2. I have no idea what will happen if I, as a seller, am paid by someone who then lies to Paypal to get their money back; if their transfer of funds proves insufficient, etc. I have a strong feeling that in such cases, sellers will get hosed by Paypal. After all, Paypal is owned by Ebay, who seems hell-bent on favoring buyers rather than sellers. Sellers can't leave feedback for buyers. If a seller makes a mistake in listing a price in a buy-it-now auction and someone jumps on a too-good-to-be-true deal within 15 minutes of the listing, then the seller is forced to sell the item, or endure a negative feedback from the buyer as well as full forfeiture of the Ebay auction fee and commission. If I get stiffed by a buyer, however -- no problem. I can't do a dang thing.

     

    I once sold an item to someone who had a problem with it. The item was fine, my return policy stated that I accept returns but the seller would have to pay shipping costs both ways unless the item was DOA. The buyer contacted Paypal, who disregarded my return policy and basically favored the buyer over the seller in all instances. Sellers don't have a chance if they get defrauded by buyers. Not a chance.

     

     

    3. Paypal does all kinds of sneaky stuff to get you to withdraw funds directly from your bank account as opposed to using your credit card for transactions. I believe that this is because they make a bit more money if you use your bank account rather than a credit card. But you also get more protection if you are using your credit card. If you buy something on Ebay and use your Paypal account to pay, you are automatically paying by a direct withdrawal from your bank account. You have to be savvy enough and curious enough to hunt down the option to use your credit card. That option is often completely hidden, with no explanation, if you have any funds whatsoever in your Paypal account. You have to stop whatever you are doing in such a case, go to your Paypal account, withdraw any funds in your Paypal account, then go back to buying whatever it was on Ebay that you were using your Paypal account for. Only then will you even be able to see an option to pay for the item using your credit card.

     

     

    4. I am not sure if anyone has seen ads where Blockbuster or Tiger Direct offers something like $20 or $25 back if you buy something from them using Paypal. I've been hooked by offers like this twice in the past year and have never been able to get Paypal to pay me back. It is a total scam because Paypal will never issue the rebate, and unless you have documented the offer with screen grabs, you have absolutely no proof and no recourse. Also, when you call Paypal, they tell you that the merchant is at fault. When you call the merchant, they tell you that Paypal is at fault.

     

    Well, I actually did get some money from Paypal for the above instances. I called the Paypal phone number which I give below as a reward for reading so far into this diatribe. Feel free to pass this on.

     

    If you have the above problem, here is a "secret" phone number to get to a supervisor.

    Paypal: call this phone 402-935-7733, at some point just enter #47550 and that seems to be a magic number to get to an operator and supervisor. Both times, I talked to a supervisor about the above situations, and without asking for paperwork or anything else, the supervisors issued me the promised rebate to my account. Unbelievably, the credit to my account actually did come through. The above phone number and extension was given to me by a supervisor there. You have to ignore the constant phone tree runaround that this number gives you and keep entering the above extension. At some point, the phone tree robot will get overridden by the extension above, and you will get transferred to a supervisor.

     

    Your consumer advocate.

  9. Wow. You've had some bad luck.

     

    Note I didn't say they were any guarantee...but they're certainly better than accepting a cashier's or personal check from some nameless person on the internets.

     

    That said, I have seen some of what you say - Paypal does default to wanting to debit from your bank acct vs. a credit card. But I don't think it's hidden in any way. Really the limits on their 'protection' are no worse than limits on your protection from Visa-network 'debit' card transactions (or less so, since 'debit' purchases are not at all protected like 'credit' purchases).

     

    I've used the buy-it-now with Microsoft's Livesearch cashback and ebay and gotten my cashback without fail. Well, at first it didnt' seem to show up but that was my fault, not configuring my Live cashback account right, not Paypal. They did show attempting the transaction which prompted me to check all my settings and figure out why it showed as 'unable to process' at first.

     

    Really there are no sure-fire guarantees. Even in personal direct face-to-face transactions, there are goobers who will lie through their teeth and try to scam you. Paypal is a little more secure than other options - but I never said perfect. :angry:

  10. Thanks for taking the time to post all that Norb.

     

    Cheers

    James

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