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World's most luxurious liveaboards

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  1. I am interested in going on a liveaboard with family members who just aren't going to go if the boat isn't extremely comfortable. I want great diving and UW photography, of course, but for some in my group that will be secondary if the living conditions are not great.

     

    I have been to Bonaire, Turks & Caicos, Belize, Seychelles, Aldabra, Red Sea, but I've never been on a dedicated liveaboard dive boat.

     

    I am open as to where in the world to go. Warm water is probably a good idea - a 5mm wetsuit is fine but I won't be able to sell drysuit diving. I am open with regard to what you see - from big animals to macro.

     

    Raja Empat appears to be everybody's favorite destination, but it may not make sense as my first liveaboard trip. Or maybe it does, because I'll get at least one great trip out of it.

     

    Depending on the size of the boat, I may well have enough people in my group to take the whole boat.

  2. In the Red Sea then look at the Royal Evolution here.

     

    I have no used it myself ( Price is also surprisingly stiff ) - but I believe it is top notch.

     

    If you want the Sudan in comfort it is the way to go I am sure.

     

    Paul C

  3. It would help if you give some details like the budget, the size of group you have for your group. Luxury boats for Raja Empat can go from $4k-30k a day depending on what you want. Do you want a helipad? Phinisi vs steel hull? All these things have to be considered. Basically if you have the money you can get the boat of choice with the cruise director of choice anywhere in the world.

    It's much more difficult to gauge "best" experiences because that is subjective. I usually pick the boat based on the knowledge of the crew before the luxuriousness of the boat. A few of my friends insist on certain luxuries without compromise. The more detail you give, the better advice can be given.

  4. It would help if you give some details like the budget, the size of group you have for your group. Luxury boats for Raja Empat can go from $4k-30k a day depending on what you want. Do you want a helipad? Phinisi vs steel hull? All these things have to be considered. Basically if you have the money you can get the boat of choice with the cruise director of choice anywhere in the world.

    It's much more difficult to gauge "best" experiences because that is subjective. I usually pick the boat based on the knowledge of the crew before the luxuriousness of the boat. A few of my friends insist on certain luxuries without compromise. The more detail you give, the better advice can be given.

    Budget isn't an issue - that may sound strange but I figure if you ask what the most luxurious liveaboards are you can't then quibble about cost. That said, if something is truly insane pricing out of whack with the value it brings I will consider that before going forward.

     

    There are some enormous and very expensive yachts that are aimed mainly at charters to the billionaire yacht crowd. I am familiar with these, but they mostly do not have diving equipment, and even if they do they are not available in the best diving locations. Typically you can only find those in Med (with pathetic diving) or the Caribbean. There is good diving in the Caribbean, but mostly this can be accessed by land so there is less value to a liveaboard. So the giant charter yachts really don't count for the purpose of my question - I am asking for boats that are oriented to liveabord diving, located in fantastic diving locations.

     

    You ask about a helipad, is that common on liveaboard dive boats? I assume this is a more hypothetical question. Helipads are found on some of the very large charter yachts, but I am not a fan of helicopters on boats. I have landed and taken off from boats with helipads a number of times. With really skilled people, and good conditions it can work, but not otherwise. Plus, the same family members that want the luxury are nervious about flying in helicopters, so this is not helpful.

     

    Group size is flexible - probably 6 people minimum, but I assume that I could put together a set of say up 12 or so friends. We don't need the boat to be totally full either - some empty cabins and/or some single occupancy would be OK with us. Plus I may want some other guides along.

     

    Knowledge of the crew is always important of course, particularly having great guides, and a competent captain.

     

    In several parts of the world I have found guides to supplement the people on the boat. That takes up a cabin but can be worth it. For example, I have done this in the Galapagos - which is a liveaboard situation but it doesn't quite count as a prior experience since we weren't diving, just visting the islands (this was years ago, before I was certified). I found a boat to charter, then found a great biologist guide to supplement the local guide that came with the boat. In that case the two guides got along great and didn't have a power struggle etc., which can sometimes be an issue. I have done similar things with diving various places. Also with birding. Usually one can find guides who know an area would would love to be hired to go back. Of course if the boat already comes with great guides then that is fine.

     

    However since some of my party are not super experienced divers I probably will hire some additional guides and/or some experienced divers no matter what so we have a higher ratio of guide to diver - more than most boats would normally do.

     

    As to hull type - I am open. Having never been on a phinisi, I don't have much of an opinion one way or another.

     

    Things that really matter to me, more or less in priority order are:

     

    1. Safety. This probably goes without saying, but I will mention it. I have read postings about boats that (more than once) leave divers stranded in the water. I wouldn't want that. Of course nobody wants that, but some people can take it in stride. My family members include some nervious types that would find that really unacceptable. That includes safety on land too.

     

    2. Power to charge batteries and run laptops to download photos. I assume pretty much every liveaboard has this.

     

    3. Air conditioning - in lounge and cabin. This might not be requried some places due to climate, but we will want it in most warm water places.

     

    4. Great food. Food can be local food (i.e. indonesian, thai, or other local ethnic cuisine would be great) but must be really good.

     

    5. Adequate space is also nice - for gear, and just to avoid feeling cramped.

     

    6. Stabilizers would add greatly to comfort while at sea. Rolling in rough seas is fine with me, it is almost impossible to get me sea sick, but alas the same is not true for some of my group. Stabilizers make a huge difference but they likely is not available for most liveaboard dive boats, unfortunately.

     

    7. Internet connectivity. This would be great if it existed, but I assume that most places it doesn't.

     

    8. Non diving activities have some value to me. It is possible that the group would include a non-diver or so, and if so then availability of snorkeling and/or some land based activites would be a plus if so. As an example, if I go to the Komodo area, I would definitely want to stop and see the dragons. I am a very serious topside wildlife photographer so that would be important. If I went to PNG / Irian Jaya I would want to do some land based birding and so forth. In most places the land based things would have to be before or after the liveaboard, but there are cases like Komodo where it would need to be integrated with the boat schedule.

     

    9. Friendly crew and good service matters. Angry or diffident crew can negate just about any of the other factors. However, I suspect that most decent boats will have good crew.

     

    10. Comfortable beds. This is subjective of course.

     

    11. Hot tub, would be a great thing if available. Many yachts have them, and I think that some liveaboard dive boats do too, but it is not common. This is in the category of "nice to have", not a must have.

     

    12. Decor is probably the least important "luxury" item. I don't care that much how a boat looks, inside or out. My picky family members will want it to be clean and hygenic. My guess is that most people who try to have a luxurious boat will have done something reasonable for decor. But I would be happy to dive from an ugly old tug boat if it had the other features above. A pretty boat that doesn't have the

     

    13. It is nice when you can dive right off the boat, rather than having long tender rides. This is more a function of the locale than the boat of course.

     

    14. Of course I want fantastic diving on top of all of this. There are obviously some trade offs with that - I am sure there are places that have great diving but are so-so in the luxury department. I would be fine with that, but I couldn't sell all my family members on that, which does not help domestic tranquility :-). Likelihood of good weather is also important.

     

    That may not be all the details, but it ought to give you a better idea. It is possible that I have over constrained the problem, and that no boat has all of these features, so then it becomes an issue of some tradeoffs.

     

    As an example in another area, I go to Africa to due topside wildlife photography, and there are safari camps and lodges that are set up to most the points above. Very few have air conditioning or internet, and of course this isn't a dive situation. However I have brought family groups to Africa very successfully. Even picky, luxury consious people can be happy deep in the bush in the middle of nowhere and see some amazing wild things - all because safari operators are set up to pander a bit to luxury. I want to replicate that sort of thing with a liveaboard dive boat.

     

    Nathan

    Edited by nathanm
  5. Ok Nathan, I'll give you a few suggestions on the boats I know. Guides whom are well known, include Burt Jones and Maureen Shimlock (who just wrote a book on Raja Empat) and others who have specialties in critters etc. I'm sure you already have consultants throwing names at you.

    For Raja Empat and pretty much all of Indonesia, Phinisi boats are the mainstay of liveaboards (you'll have to read up on how they function but I will say that they are wood boats and may leak and creak). The most luxurious ones don't have EAN. If you're in this market then you will have been given the names like the Silo Lona and perhaps El Aleph (new one that just launched in Sept). The EAN dedicated dive boats that are luxurious are the Adventurer II, Seven Seas (hosted Prince Albert and Jim Clark among other celebs), Damai and Arenui. All of these, the diving is from skiffs. Each of them differ in size and number of rooms. Some phinisi roll more than others due to a top heavy configuration. The food on these boats are good but if you have preferences, make up a menu and send it to them. A friend paid for the chef of one of the top resorts for a week so he could cook for us. It was ridiculous but some people like their food. Food supplies will limit what you can store fresh.

    Steel hull boats are the Ocean Rover, Indies Trader IV (the only Indies boat you'd want to charter and doesn't have EAN but a helipad with no chopper :)) and the Pelagian. The OR is a real dedicated dive boat with a rear dive deck. It was one of the best boats in Thailand in the late 90s.

    You can find trip reports and reviews of some of these boats in the WP archives. I will refrain from commenting on them publicly.

    As for destinations, Raja Empat (I'm very impressed you spelled it the "correct" way ;)) is a nice WA destination, and usually will have good viz. The Banda Sea is also a nice area although some of the old favorites have been trashed by fish bombers recently (Lucipara being one of those places tragically having walls stripped of coral by blast fishing). But we found some nice places this trip to go back to. The eastern greater sunda islands are all worth exploring, especially Komodo National Park.

    As for weather and viz, depends on your luck. It's mother nature. I picked the best window historically and suddenly an El Nino year kicked up a serious storm that sank a cargo ship and messed up my itinerary. How much good karma or lucky charms do you have?

    You may also wish to consider PNG. Eric Cheng just came back from the Eastern Fields and while the shark population has been drastically fished out, it's still healthy reefwise. Other parts of the PNG islands are world renown for WA although truly pelagic sites are now getting rarer and rarer. In PNG, the most luxurious boat is the True North (which isn't a dedicated dive boat but can be converted to one sans EAN). This boat has also been booked for Indonesia and Australia.

    You may also wish to consider the Maldives which has another plethora of choices for boats. Who said it would be easy making that decision. When you can go will probably help you pare down choices for itineraries.

    Good luck!

    Edited by Drew
  6. This is very helpful, thanks!

     

    Here is one more question - what is the best way to go about this?

     

    One approach is to contact the boats directly - I assume they all have web sitse (I have seen a couple of them already). The other approach would be to go through an agent of some sort.

     

    My baseline assumption is that most of these trips - like safaris or other adventure travel - is based on somebody (a tour operator etc) taking the charter on the whole boat, and then selling berths at a mark up. Or the boat may do that directly. In my case I want to charter the whole boat.

     

    In the case of Africa there are agents that handle the add-a-person-to-a-tour approach, and there are others who specialized in more customized trips. I am not sure what the deal is with these liveaboards. Agents that are used to selling berths may or may not be helpful with doing a whole boat and doing something more customized. Any thoughts about this?

     

     

    Nathan

  7. Nathan

    I always recommend chartering the boat for those who know what they want. You have control of who is on the boat and where it goes. There's no question about that.

    Agents are easier obviously but they rely on other agents in the area to facilitate and the added % keep going. Customized tours for exclusive clients remain in the realm of a few select boats and their owners are usually contacted to act as consultants for their expertise in the area. Depending on who you consult they'll come up with different names. I'm pretty sure a few of them will be approaching you now that you've said you're looking for one ;)

    Approaching the right boat directly and they can handle a lot of the details for you if they have experience with this stuff. I had a buddy wanting fireworks, a helicopter in remote area, a choreographed village celebration and other things for his anniversary trip in Raja. But of course, he didn't want to handle any of the details so he paid for people to do it. All I will say is that I know of someone who has cheap fireworks for sale in Bali now :)

    You seem to be more hands on in planning your trips since you are making an effort to research them. Finding a person who has handled VIP charters on location where you chose to go will remove a couple of layers of middle people. Pretty much anything you want can be arranged for a price. Even luxury is subjective. Some people want service staff hovering around them for all their needs. Some want them invisible and are self sufficient but just want luxury amenities. This is what a travel consultant who has experience can do for you. Which is why I asked for details. Each person has different needs. Do you want to go through normal Indonesian airports with the family or hire a private plane? Or even a seaplane?

    Edited by Drew
  8. I'm not particularly experienced when it comes to liveaboards but Spirit of Freedom on the Australian Barrier Reef might be worth a look at. We had a good time in 2005.

    Good safety and excellent crew who were all instructor level. It goes a way out onto the better parts of the outer reef so no good for popping ashore. No internet access and no hot tub. Otherwise I think it might tick your other boxes.

     

    http://www.spiritoffreedom.com.au/spirit_vessel_plan.htm

  9. In the Red Sea then look at the Royal Evolution here.

     

    I have no used it myself ( Price is also surprisingly stiff ) - but I believe it is top notch.

     

    If you want the Sudan in comfort it is the way to go I am sure.

     

    Paul C

     

    It is a very nice ship with a very good crew, but not like a private luxury yacht for a small group. It's a dive ship with luxurious details and service, built for 20+ divers.

     

    Sudan has some really good and varied diving with wrecks, big fish and big numbers, clear water, nice coral and few divers.

     

    good luck

    Edited by Christian K
  10. Check out the Philippines Siren. It is a gorgeous boat with great amenities. It also has some of the best diving iteneraries. It can provide you gear also, allowing you to travel lighter.

  11. 4 Seasons Explorer in the Maldives?! Haven't been on it, but it is the 4 Seasons.. :D

  12. This may or may not help, but this boat:

     

    http://yachtpals.com/largest-sailboats-7036

     

    was out in Raja Ampat a few years back when I was there. They pulled into the area around one of the pearl farms while we were diving there. They sent some divers over to a place near where we were and I can say the diver tenders were quite nice! You can get a week for the bargain price of $500,000 give or take a few thousand. Looks like it's still in the neighborhood:

     

    http://www.internationalyachtchartergroup....tails/athena295

     

    :D

     

    Mike

    Edited by MikeO
  13. last year i charter a week on a new boat the samata in komodo it was one of my best liveaboard ever, realy large vessel for all of us. good service. good dive. good spirit

  14. True luxury liveaboard: Amanikan

     

    http://www.amanresorts.com/exclusivesfullv...p;LangType=1033

     

    If you've stayed at any of the Aman resort in SE Asia, you know what kind of service to expect (this is a full step above any Four Seasons). We spent a week at Amanwana (Moyo Island in Sumbawa Province) last summer - diving was excellent and the service was amazing... (chose the destination because my wife and I dive, but she recently developed gluten intolerance, and the Aman service is so good we could ask for a special menu for her w/out any concern of gluten contamination, we also felt very comfortable leaving our two young children at the resort while we dived - lots of the staff volunteered to look after them while we were out - fish feeding, monkey watching, playing games, etc.)

     

    Boat just started running trips last summer - part of the year they do a Komodo itinerary, and the other part of the year they are doing a Banda Sea expedition.

     

    You asked for luxury:

    Crew of 10 (incl. dive master and private chef) for either 1, 2, or 3 couples.

     

    Price starts at ~$25k for the week.

     

    We're looking at this as a way to include our kids on a Komodo adventure sometime in the next couple of years...

  15. 4 Seasons Explorer in the Maldives?! Haven't been on it, but it is the 4 Seasons.. ^_^

    That boat is actually very free schedule wise ... so free that the owners are in negotiations to move it to... guess where? :)

     

    The Amanikan, I visited and it is very nice, with the above deck rooms which are very spacious. I'd say it's more luxurious than the Silo Lona, which use to be the boat the Aman used while they refitted the Ikan Gurami (which is now the Amanikan). Still it only has one skiff so you can't split groups for different sites, or have one group diving and other snorkeling etc. There is no EAN, which is a minimum deal breaker for me not just for the added bottom time but also continuous diving safety margin.

    Matt, if you give them enough notice, gluten free menus aren't an issue. All this can be arranged on many boats at this level. Bali has a whole host of gourmet foods which cater to all tastes they can shop and ship to the boat. Often, the boat will send stuff with the guest's flights to ensure freshness.

    Edited by Drew
  16. aduh! $25K for the week and it doesn't include alcohol?!?!

     

    they are a bit stingy..

  17. Not everyone is a lush like you Mike :)

    Edited by Drew
  18. Not every is a lush like you Mike :)

     

    You may have been drunk when you wrote a sentence like that though.. :)

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