Something's wrong...

Hi - i've not uploaded my video before to anything and i think i've done it wrong. I can't see to figure out why it's all 'juddery' - i've tried all different settings but this original one still seems to be the best... though it's still not right. Every few weeks i'll have another go but i'm guessing there's something important i'm doing wrong?

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Any help appreciated!

Hi,

It's not juddery when I watch it. I think it could just be a streaming issue, if your connection is not quite fast enough it may be stuttering. Have a look at some other videos on vimeo and see if you get the same issue.

One issue that you do have though, is that the video appears to be squashed into a 4:3 format when it should be 16:9- you should be able to change this when you render/export and/or change it in your project settings, depending on what editing software you're using.

Looks like you had a great time underwater, anyway!

Fergus

Hi Fergus,

Really - not juddery when you watch it? I don't get it - that was my inital thought (home connection not fast enough) but it looks the same at work too - and at my friends. Maybe all the connections are slow - that would be a fairly big coincidence! I am able to watch other poeple's videos fine - and most of the links in this forum too.

It should be 16:9. It was when i exported it to tape and to dvd (still not bought a blu-ray writer), and should be for this too - another thing i am yet to figure out. I think maybe i need to buy a book or read some sort of manual or something.

Always a great time underwater, just need to manage my bad ratio of "abovewater : underwater" time!

It may not be your connection but your computer browser which may have an issue playing Java/Flash stuff. Try the HTML5 version.

You may also want to give us your program and settings which will be easier than people throwing settings from different programs and OS at you.

Another thing you may wish to add is the music credits. I'm sure Mr De Backer and that swedish sounding band would appreciate the plug.

There could be an error in the way you exported and compressed the film. What system are you using and what NLE?

Steve

Hi Steve - i think the fact i'm not sure what NLE means might be one of the issues. Don't worry too much, i can google, i'm using Sony Vegas. By "system" do you mean Windows Vista (i know, i know) or are you talking more technical processor stuff?

What confuses me is if i look at the file i uploaded, it is widescreen and "post above which i now can't see or remember your name" has the music credits on and the dashing star with the grin at the end credit etc too - and, most importantly, not juddery at all.

I'm starting to think it might just be an operator error with Vimeo? Maybe i need to read the how to again?

music credits..... I'm sure Mr De Backer and that swedish sounding band would appreciate the plug.

Gotye - the swedish sounding band... i take it you didn't mean The Knife? Unless my swedish is *that* bad?

Gotye is Wally De Backer, if I remember well enough. That's the Knife? I just heard that Scandanavian ace of base/cardigans/abba accent that no one seems to be able or care about.

Hello Chrispie

It looks like how it was encoded out.

Encode out a 1280/720 @ 1.1 aspect ratio.

Pick the codec H.264 and set the compression to about 4mbps or 4000kbps.

If you are in the land of PAL 25 (AUS- Europe) then set the frame rate to 25 and your key frames to every 250.

If you are in the land of NTSC USA-Canada etc then who cares :-) Where is the USA anyhow?

Then load that up to Youtube or Vimeo and re post here.

Hi Wagsy,

You mean encoded out from Sony Vegas right? I am in the land of PAL but my camera is from the land of NTSC... OK - i'll check settings when i get home and see if i can get a better result...

Thanks for the help!

O dear... so your camera recorded at 60i NTSC.

Pal is 50i

So you should edit it on a 60i NTSC timeline so its the same as your camera.

What camera have you got there.

Yes once you edit it in Vegas, try to encode it out as a QT H.264 file.

1280/720 - 1.1 aspect pixel ratio @ constant 4mbps.

Then load that to Youtube or Vimeo.

Wagsy,

Camera is the HDR-HC7 - I can't justify buying the PAL version with the US$ difference. Shame sony can't install the switch on their cameras so you can chose between PAL and NTSC like all the other cameras seem to be able to do. Must be an expensive switch... ;-)

Chrispie, NLE stands for non-linear editor. It simply means your video editing program.

HDV is anamorphic. That means that the pixels are rectangular, not square. However the vast majority of video delivered over the net, including Vimeo and YouTube, uses square pixels. My bet is that you have sent Vimeo an amamorphic 16:9 video (1440x 1080) and their decoder has mistakenly read it as a 4:3 video with square pixels. So what you need to do is convert the video to square pixels before you send it to them. i.e. 1920x1080 (or 1280x720).

Avoid QT (Quicktime) for rendering from Vegas for the net. In any case you might need to purchase Quicktime Pro to render to that. Instead, use Sony's own AVC codec. In Vegas Pro, this is what you need to do...

1. File > Project Properties > Match Media Settings (small icon top right of the dialogue box) > Choose one of the typical video files on your timeline.

This sets the project properties to match the resolution, framerate, interlacing etc. of your source video.

2. Project Properties > Field Order > None (progressive scan)

> Full resolution rendering quality > Best

> Deinterlace method > Interpolate fields

3. File > Render As > Save As Type > Sony AVC

> Template > Internet 1920x1080-30p

I think this template only exists in Vegas Pro 10.0. In 9.0 it may have been called "YouTube". In 8.0 it didn't exist at all. So here are the settings so you can recreate it if you're using older versions of Vegas:

Personally I think the video bit rate of 16,000,000 bps is over the top. I think about half that should be enough, or even less, depending on your upload bandwidth and the length of the video. But I think Wagsy's suggestion of 4,000,000 is a little low for that Sony codec at 1080p. It's not the best codec in the world, so you need to use a higher bitrate than most other AVC codecs. By the way, AVC and H.264 are the same thing.

As for your camera, I'm sure a PAL/NTSC switch is actually very cheap. In the past, some Sony cameras could even be hacked using a remote to switch them over. But, at the generation of your camera, it's a feature that Sony saved for more expensive models such as the Z1. In many ways I'd rather have an NTSC camera than a PAL one, even in Europe. An NTSC DVD can be played anywhere, whereas a PAL one can't, and the standard definition NTSC resolution of 480 lines is correct for upload to YouTube etc., whereas PAL has to be downscaled from 576 to 480.

Wow, - thanks Nick - that's brilliant... i almost feel a bit guilty that instead of going home last night and trying to sort the settings i went to the pub instead... But now i'm definitely going home to try it.

Thanks again - i really appreciate that!!

Well there you go...Nick the Vegas man...

But did you learn anything at the pub?

What about eye candy......:-)

I will just go back to drinking in my pool under the rain.

Well there you go...Nick the Vegas man...

 

But did you learn anything at the pub?

What about eye candy......:-)

 

I will just go back to drinking in my pool under the rain.

Nothing is ever learnt at the pub - nothing that's retained anyway!

And eye candy? Not unless you're that girl who's attracted to older, rounded men with a tendancy to whine about work and / or their other half.... I'm not that girl!

And are you drinking the pool water or a proper beverage?

Opps... you are not bloke but a girl....lol

Should of done my homework....

Well thats why alcohol was invented, the more you drink the better those roundy fellas become.

Drinking sider in the pool.

Chrispie, are you a Vimeo plus member? If not, you can't show 1080p (unless Vimeo has changed that rule). If so, there's not much point to exporting out a 1080p file. 720p will suffice.