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Nature with diver type shot - feedback?

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Nature with diver type shot - feedback?

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  1. I finally was able to direct my buddy to get one of those shots where the diver is just an element in the picture, drawing attention to the underwater life. The conditions were a bit on the tricky side, with poor light giving the camera problems locking focus, but I figured I was pretty happy with just this shot.

     

     

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    Any suggestions on what I could have done differently, to work on in the future to improve this type of pictures, would be appreciated.

    Technical data are found on the flickr page where the picture is hosted.

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  2. Hi Storker!

     

    Nice work. Shots like this aren't so easy - especially for the diver who has to be in just the right position and hold it while you take the photo! And, in this shot, in a dry suit too.

     

    You have got the diver's eye nicely in focus and, importantly (and not always easy either!), the eyes are open! And you have a good balance between the focus of the diver's eye and the reef. The torchlight works well too

     

    Suggestions for getting it even better next time?

     

    You have a fair bit of "empty green" in the top left of the picture and it would be good to try and position the diver in that part of the image which would give it a nice balance. If you can get the diver to exhale just before you take the pic you can then get a nice bubble stream just clear of the diver's eyes and face. This really puts the image "underwater".

     

    On processing, if you are using, say, Lightroom, you might want to try de-highlighting the left of the picture and de-shadowing a bit the left side to get more detail into the diver.

     

    For a first go with your buddy, I'd say you did pretty well. I spend ages with my buddy/partner getting her just into the right position and, as she will tell you for sure, it ain't easy: open eyes, legs just in the right position, bubble stream, point the damn light - and then the fish swims in front of her mask.... I reckon usually about a dozen shots to get the image right.

     

    So nice job!

  3. I quite like this! :)

     

    In my opinion it may have been beneficial to use an even wider lens, and getting the model closer so there's more light. Also, ISO 800 is already borderline too noisy for my taste - on an E-M5 anyway. You can probably get it a little smoother by adding in some 'Luminance Noise Reduction' in the 'Detail' section of Lightroom.

     

    As Tim already said, the negative space is quite a bit of empty green (I like the color by the way) maybe try shooting from a little lower next time and have the model nearer the top? I'm just guessing here, I couldn't get a shot like this if my life depended on it...

     

    That being said, getting this good a shot in what I'd expect to be pretty low visibility: Kudos, good sir!

  4. TimG wrote:
    Nice work. Shots like this aren't so easy - especially for the diver who has to be in just the right position and hold it while you take the photo! And, in this shot, in a dry suit too.

    You have got the diver's eye nicely in focus and, importantly (and not always easy either!), the eyes are open! And you have a good balance between the focus of the diver's eye and the reef. The torchlight works well too



    Thanks! That's what I was trying to capture, so it's nice to hear that I got it somewhat right.

    TimG wrote:

    You have a fair bit of "empty green" in the top left of the picture and it would be good to try and position the diver in that part of the image which would give it a nice balance. If you can get the diver to exhale just before you take the pic you can then get a nice bubble stream just clear of the diver's eyes and face. This really puts the image "underwater".

    On processing, if you are using, say, Lightroom, you might want to try de-highlighting the left of the picture and de-shadowing a bit the left side to get more detail into the diver.



    Good point about the large stretch of empty background. On some of the other shots, (e.g. the neighboring one in my stream with dead man's fingers, but without diver), I had some dark shadows from the formations behind giving a bit of structure to the negative space. I think it worked, but unfortunately that shot was without diver. Good tip about the exhalation and the bubble stream, I'll try experimenting with that when I've gotten a little more experience in getting half-decent shots with a model.

    I'm using LR5 for processing, and I deliberately pulled the shadows down, particularly on the diver, to reduce the impact of the ISO noise. I might try a bit more aggressive noise reduction instead.

    TimG wrote:

    For a first go with your buddy, I'd say you did pretty well. [...] I reckon usually about a dozen shots to get the image right.


    Heh, you haven't seen all my previous attempts that I've canned :) That's quite a bit more than just a dozen...

    coinee wrote:
    In my opinion it may have been beneficial to use an even wider lens, and getting the model closer so there's more light.


    Well ,you have to play with the toys you have, and a fisheye hasn't made it onto my budget quite yet. So all I've got is my 9-18, and the 12-50 that came with the camera. I've cropped the picture somewhat, though, so I might try a slightly different crop

    coinee wrote:

    ISO 800 is already borderline too noisy for my taste - on an E-M5 anyway. You can probably get it a little smoother by adding in some 'Luminance Noise Reduction' in the 'Detail' section of Lightroom.


    In that light, 800 was the bare minimum. I was considering adding some more luminance noise reduction it, but chose to pull the shadows instead to preserve sharpness and acuity. That might not have been the best solution, so as I said, I'll try playing with the noise reduction instead.

    coinee wrote:

    As Tim already said, the negative space is quite a bit of empty green (I like the color by the way) maybe try shooting from a little lower next time and have the model nearer the top?


    Good point even though I already consider myself pretty lucky to have gotten my model where he was. We haven't quite worked out a good hand signal system for directing him. So we've got a job before us, working out how I'm going to be able to direct him in a way that makes him understand what I'm trying to say (after being able to capture his attention, since he's primarily a diver and only secondarily my model ;) ).

    coinee wrote:

    That being said, getting this good a shot in what I'd expect to be pretty low visibility: Kudos, good sir!


    Thank you very much. The viz wasn't too bad, somewhat below average for the time of the year (say, like 10m), but the light was p!ss-poor. That was another reason for the high ISO value; I wanted to capture some of the ambient light to give a bit of atmosphere to the shot, so I was stuck with ISO 800+ and f/4...

     

     

     

     

    (EDIT: Multi-quote didn't work, so I had to reformat the pot to make it readable)

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  5. Based on the feedback I got, I've changed the crop slightly, added some luminance smoothing and adjusted the sharpening to compensate for loss of acuity due to noise reduction.

     

    Oh, and I've adjusted the color balance somewhat. It wasn't that yellow-green in the first place.

     

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    Did the picture get better?

  6. Hi Storker

     

    Yeah, that helps for sure.

     

    Next thing: you can see the beginnings of some backscatter above the beam of the torch and the left side of the rock. This may show up better (unhelpfully!) in a larger scale image. You might like to see if you can spot these out with LR or PS.

     

    When you are out in the water again, you might like to try targeting the strobes away from "open" water and directly onto something you want to light - in this case, I'd suggest the deadmens-fingers and not the diver. Another tough bit of WA photography with models: getting some light on the model without introducing backscatter and while lightning the interesting underwater bits. It's all a bit trial and error I find - just getting the balance between strobes, ambient lights, interesting bits of reef etc. And getting the darned model to keep their eyes open and exhale JUST at the right moment.

     

    :aggressive:

  7. Great points, thanks!

     

    There's also the balance between messing with the strobes and shooting different angles/crops, and being a buddy for a model who splashed to dive, not spend his whole bottom time waiting for a frikkin' photog :D

     

     

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  8. Speak quietly of such issues, Stoker. I don't want my buddy hearing this...... :innocent:

  9. I feel your pain.

     

    Since I'm not willing to dive solo, I have to make sure I don't pi$$ off my buddies too much and that they can trust me as a proper buddy. After a dive last year, when my regular buddy got a bit grumpy over my shooting, I suggested adding a new hand signal to our repertoire: a rotating index finger, similar to the 'narked' signal, but in front of him instead of pointing at his temple. It basically means "get your a$$ moving, I'm sick of waiting for you". I had less dives with post-dive buddy grumpiness after he started using it. Because some times, I even listen... :D

     

     

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  10. Good one!

     

    A post I might not share with my beloved......

     

    Actually I think it is possible to sense utter boredom coming across in waves transmitted through the water at depth from a dive buddy.... as you say, a bit like narked.... I bought mine a GoPro for Xmas to try and divert attention but, hopefully, not too much away from her modelling.

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