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Just another dome story!

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Just another dome story!

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  1. Just another dome story!

    Hi eveready, following a tread on dome optic/clown fish in the gallery section, me and CeeDave aka Chris came up with this diagram. His textual approach to this complex phenomenom is one of the best, so I have contributed my illustration talent to his talentuous text. hope you enjoy,

     

    Capital letters = camera/lens

    Small letters = housing/port

     

    ( L ) : film plane

    ( F ) : lens mount flange

    ( P ) : entrance pupil

     

    These should be made available

    by camera manufacturer.

     

     

    ( f ) : port flange

    ( e ) : extension flange

    ( c ) : center of curvature of the dome

    ( d ) : location of dome surface

    ( r ) : radius of sphere that dome is based on, ( r=cd )

     

    All thas is needed from housing manufacturer is

    ( r ), ( fe ), ( Ff ), and ( ed ). All known from

    manufacturer or easily measured.

     

     

    We want the distance from dome surface to

    entrance pupil, ( Pd), to be the same as the

    distance of the center of the dome to the

    surface, ( cd ). ( cd=dome radius ), which

    is ½ the diameter of the dome ONLY in

    hemispherical dome. Also( c ) is in the plane

    of the back of the dome only in the case of

    hemispherical dome.

     

    From the Diagram:

    The Camera flange to dome surface distance is ( Fd = Ff + fe +ed )

     

    The camera flange-pupil distance may be computed using the film

    plane datum is ( FP = LP- LF ).

     

    The Pupil to dome surface is ( Pd = Fd - FP )

     

    If the dome is in the wrong position, rays do not

    pass through the dome to the lens perpendicular

    to the dome. This causes refraction, and thus

    chromatic aberration and blurring...the effect is

    most noticable at the edges of the dome, where

    the angle is furthest from perpendicular.

     

    Also, larger dome have more gently curved

    image planes and require lower diopters,if any,

    for focusing; this is a lesser concern with

    fisheye lenses than with rectilinear lens.

     

    Illustration by Jean Bruneau a.k.a Viz’art

    Text by Chris White a.k.a CeeDave

  2. And this image is to show that sometime a small dome can be a part of a larger sphere, yet it will retain it's original radius, the important thing to remember is that altought your dome might look small and non spherical, always consult with the manufacturer to find out its true diameter if it is unknown.

     

    Any comments are welcome, I realise its a topic that as been covered, but CeeDave explanation can help you find answer to thoses pesky blurry edges

     

    Regards

  3. Fantastic illustration and text - I think I get it now!

     

    Would be great to hear from people with some common combinations - tell us what the measurements are.

     

    For example Nikon 12-24 and Canon 10-22 in Ike/Aquatica/Subal dome.

  4. The 12-24 DX entrance pupil is given at 1.5-2 mm focal length increments by Wisniewski ... these use image/film plane as reference (rather than lens flange, which would make more sense to me, since it's a lens attribute...but it's probably easier to measure in some bench and panorama setups).

     

    12-24 DX entrance pupil relative to image plane

    Focal Length, mm

    ..........Entrance Pupil, mm

    12.0==112.5

    13.5==110.5

    15.0==109.0

    16.5==108.5

    18.0==108.5

    20.0==109.5

    22.0==110.0

    24.0==112.0

     

    The entrance pupil does move to and fro along the lens axis, but only slightly in the "center" of the zoom range, 15-20mm. I don't think you'd ever be able to detect 1 mm of "error" in pupil-dome center placement in images, especially on a 75-100 mm radius (6-8 in diam) port. But a port optimized for his center range might be far enough from optimal at the extremes (12, 24) for the most discerning to detect. Of course, if Pd is not near cd (in the above diagrams), that probably will be detectable as softness and CA -- and here the error could be cm, not mm. But I dunno...just guessing. Will try to make some test shots when I have a waterproof thingy with a covered hole in front to put my D70 in.

     

    As far as I know, housing manufacturers do not usually provide the needed length/radius data, and I don't have a D70 housing yet to measure them. Ike? Jean? Others?

     

    Oh, and all the distances/locations in the text with Jean's diagrams are measured along the lens axis (especially d!).

     

    Cheers,

    Chris

  5. Wow! Great information yet again Chris.

    Thanks for the numbers and really looking forward to some testing.

  6. Great explanation, really make this issue simple.

  7. For more detail, see the fun and comprehensive Reefnet scubageek site or the ~$150 reference work by Sidney Ray (got the copy currently on my desk by interlibary borrowing!), "Scientific Photography and Applied Imaging" (which has nice chapters on general optics, macrophotography, and underwater photography).

     

    Cheers,

    Chris

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