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Canon S70 / WP-DC40

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Canon S70 / WP-DC40

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  1. After spending many hours in this forum as a guest trying to decide on a digital camera and housing, I thought I would officially join and share experience with Canon S70 with WP-DC40 housing.

     

    On a recent trip, my buddy dove with a complete Nikon / Ikelite package digital SLR that cost about 3X more, so it was interesting to compare results.

     

    Things I like about the S70 and the housing:

    - Full range of manual controls, which I found to be invaluable.

    - RAW mode (more later)

    - Compact flash compatible

    - 7.1 mp

    - wider angle zoom

    - very compact, so great for top-side pics as well

    - shoots video

    - "stitch mode" that guides you through stitching panorama's together.

    - Color accuracy is excellent

    - Underwater case is so small that it fits easily in my existing dive bag. No additional photo gear box.

    - Internal flash was surprisingly effective for night shots.

    - The housing has a lanyard freeing up one or both hands for other stuff while diving.

     

    Things that I struggled with:

    - Focus underwater on moving objects was a near crap-shoot. I tested manual focus and found it to be just equally good (or poor) as the case may be. Fixed objects with sufficient focusing light was fine.

    - barrel of the housing obstructs the internal flash a bit in the lower right corner.

    - without the housing, on the widest angle, the flash does not illuminate the entire scene.

    - without the housing, the sliding front on the case is very sensitive, I constantly turn the camera off unintentionally.

    - Macro focusing distance is difficult to manage underwater. Seems to be about a foot and 1/2.

     

    My goal was to record underwater photos the way that I record topside photos, memory quality. No objective to take magazine quality, but I wanted them to be clear, well composed, and interesting. This camera and housing did the job with some perks added in.

     

    I experimented like crazy with different features and found a few things that may help other u/w amatuers:

    - Use RAW mode if you can. The ability for RAW to restore a photo is incredible. Once I set development conditions in Canon software, I converted all the RAW in batch and had amazing photos compared to the starting point. RAW worked much better than trying to do a real-time white-balance.

     

    - Get a big card. I followed the advice on this forum and got a 2gig and 256 backup card. It made a lot of sense to me to minimize the number of times you have to open the case with an emphasis on never opening on the boat. The gig card gave me plenty of space for RAW and for video.

     

    - Use a time setting above 1/100 of a second. Even if everything is focused, the picture will be out of focus just because everything is moving. I had much better results when I maintained shutter speeds at this level. To do this, I had to use manual mode rather than "P" mode.

     

    - Everything is trade-offs. Even though I got some noise, I settled on ISO 200 so that I could shoot during the day with ambient light. Lowering the ISO and shooting with the flash during the day generally screwed up the shot except for close-up macro. Most of the shot would be subject to ambient light while the near item would be subjec to flash. There are no development conditions that I found that could get both lighting conditions simultaneously to work.

     

    - Moving objects, other than turtles were nearly impossible to focus on. I still have a lot of work to go on this one relative to my guessing skills. But for sharks and stuff, I would set the focal length on about 10' and things worked out okay. Most of my small fish was the same way, but at a much smaller focal length. The S70 allows you to bracket the focus, taking three shots in a row with a slightly adjusted focus. Still, I threw a good number of shots away. The Canon has a great real-time review mode that allows you to zoom in and see if something is in focus. So for shots, I really cared about, I hung with it until I got what I wanted.

     

    - For night dives, the brighter your dive light used as focusing light, the better the chances of a good focus. I had suprisingly good results at night with the internal flash.

     

    - Enjoy the video option. What a kick to record video segments of a shark-sucker darting around the divers. You just can't get the same memory with a still.

     

    - With everything set to manual and to RAW, the shutter delay was small. I can't say whether it was great due to my limited experience.

     

    - Good luck attempting macro shots like in the books. This rig will not give it to you. Thoeretically, the focal length is about 6 inches on the wide angle. But underwater, I did not have much success at less than a foot to a foot and 1/2.

     

    - Enjoy taking top-side pics in and around the boat. I felt kind of sorry for all of the dome-port folks. They couldn't capture any of the backward rolls, the surface interval events like going to see the red-footed booby birds, etc.

     

    - Have two batteries. I found that one fully refreshed battery lasted just enough for two 45 minutes with some picture review as well.

     

    All in all, this camera was a great choice for my objectives. It added a dimension to my diving that I had started to lose. Textures of corals and the intricacy of sea-fans starting pulling my attention again. The purple of a vase sponge or the green of a tube sponge seemed much more pronounced when trying to recreate their special look with a camera. While my Buddy with the SLR rig has much more potential, the incremental shot value on our fist dive was negligible.

     

    I hope this was helpful.

     

    Crazy06

  2. Crazy06 - Thanks for the detailed writeup. I'm sure others here appreciate it too.

     

    Cheers

    James

  3. I'd be interested to know just how fast it is to shoot succesive RAW files on the S70. A year ago it seemed that these sort of cameras had such tediously slow write times that it was not a feature I considered good enough to warrant using underwater. Perhaps they are better now?

    Trev

  4. Canon S70 does 5 frame burst of RAW files @ 0.7 fps and then slows to 10+ sec for subsequent shots.

     

    The camera takes 6 seconds to store a RAW file from the buffer onto the card.

     

    Low light AF still sounds pretty lame though.

     

    Very interesting write-up though Crazy06 - thanks for the info. Thread bookmarked.

  5. Great write up.

     

    I did a bunch more test shots with the S70 around the house in daylight abient lighting. I also did some more test shots with it in the basement of a photo store and compared it to the G6. I tested it compared to the G6 after reading about David Hass experience and looking at his photos.

     

    The more shots I did at home comparing it with my Contax (which is three years old) the more worried I got about using it underwater. The focusing just was not happening like I felt it should. Just too much blurriness. My Contax never missed while the S70 consistantly missed.

     

    Next while in the store I did similar test shots with the G6 and S70. The G6 got about 80% of the test shots while the S70 got less than 40%. A few times when the G6 missed I would try it again and it would focus in.

     

    So ... after much consideration I sent the S70 and housing back and have replaced it with the G6 and an Ikelite housing. This was not a easy decision because I had done a bunch of research and thought that it was reasonable system for cost. However, I figured that it was better to eat some postage now than have a system that did not perform like I wanted.

     

    Because the G6 has an internal flash with preflash and the Ike housing is clear I was initally planning on sticking with the Inon D2000 strobe and use its sTTL. But in the end decided to take advantange of the G6 hot shot/ housing sync bulkhead. Soon Ikelite will have eTTL as well. Going this route also ment switching strobes. So I picked a DS50 strobe as well.

     

    Hopefully it will all make it to me later this week so I will have some time to play with it before we leave next on a trip.

     

    Finally a plug and thanks (hopefully this not appropriate) but the folks at Inon were of great help, as were the folks at Ikelite and David Hass. Also Ken at California Digial Diving has been great in supplying me gear and answering questions. Finally, the various wet sites and people who make these forums possible (WetPixel, DigiDeep, DigitalDiver).

     

    I am sure I will have many more questions once everything is wet.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Allen

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