TimG

I do agree on 2x 12” strobe arms being cumbersome especially when getting the system into the water. In addition I found the arm clamps struggle to hold the arms in place even at depth. I’ve always used 2x 8” plus 2x 5” and found this a good combination both for WA and macro. 
 

I bought 2x 12” to get more spread. Tried it a couple of times and gave up. I should put them in the Classifieds!

I do think though that Klaus should try using his housing to take skiing pics of the family. We would  need to see pics of the expressions on family faces…..  just for scientific purposes of course. 

2 hours ago, Andrej Oblak said:

I own a set of Inon Z-330 and a brand new set of Retra Pro Max strobes. The first thing that I noticed is that Retras produce noticeably less backscatter than Inons.

I find this too, Andrej - also having moved from Inon Z240 to Retra, initially Pro-X. I find even less of a backscatter issue using the Retra reflector attachment.

Thank you for this, Andrej. 
 

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4 minutes ago, Adventurer said:

Looks like there is a timeout for editing the initial thread opener, so sadly I cannot move this to the top:

 

Samyang Rokinon AF 14mm F2.8 F ( for Nikon F Mount )

 

Samyang Rokinon AF 14mm F2.8 FE ( for Sony E Mount )

 

If you are unable to get your hands on a used Canon RF Mount Version still operates AutoFocus, you can also buy the EF:

 

Samyang Rokinon AF 14mm F2.8 EF ( for Canon EF Mount )

 

All Versions of this lens seem to be on Optical Bench Hub.

 

Lucky me has that editing privilege, so I've added them....

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We ask that you keep it civil. If you disagree, fine. Agree to disagree and leave it at that. Other members can read conflicting views and will come to their own conclusions. 
 

Moving right on along…..

A really interesting question!

I think we've all been there. Back from a trip, really excited about some of the images, cull them ruthlessly, show the "best" to someone else and.... yawn.....

A couple of thoughts:

Know Your Audience - wonderpus, many macro shots and those "very hard to get this" images, though fascinating to underwater photographers, can often leave a non-expert viewer unimpressed. There is often no wow factor - which, for me, is the key. Hanging upside down, water going up your nose for that shot-of-a-life time is something maybe to remember but it doesn't necessarily create an amazing image for the average viewer. Ditto those super macros images of the eye of [fill in the blank].

There's no pleasing all the folks, all the time! Trying to find an image that two home-sharers agree on is pretty well impossible.....  some like strong, colourful, powerful.... others like restful, thoughtful.....

You have some lovely images where you've used negative space really well. Those, for me, would be good images to select for display where there is a powerful graphic element and strong and limited colours. But your husband may hate that!

For a book? Are you looking to show a range of u/w images from wide-angle to macro; or to demonstrate a clear individual style? Do you want to show the range and variety of life on the reef? Or capture the way you see the scene as a photographer. These produce very different and all very valid approaches.

Hey Chris

The more I read this, the more it makes me wonder if thinking about the technology and specifications is getting in the way.

How much power is "need" is very hard to define. Unless you have some esoteric requirement, the Retras and the Inons are excellent. Neither (no-ones?) strobe will light the reef. A lot comes down to using the strobes and understanding their capabilities and then playing to those strengths or recognising the weaker areas. Over my years of taking u/w pics, I've had Nikonos, Inon and Retra. And none of them have "not been good enough".  

The Inons and Retra have proved to be very reliable. The Retras have a terrific range of accessories to help mould a really nice quality of light in the way you might want. Secams have their own issues because of their battery arrangement but, I understand, are maybe more powerful; and there have been many threads about issues with the Sea&Seas. 

But if I was starting again, I'd be more concerned about the reliability of the product as much as the power output - or even the recycling time: unless, as I say, you have an unusually esoteric requirement. 

Wow! Now THAT is how to shoot splits!

5 hours ago, d2b said:

I originally wanted to match my scubaboard displayname of d^2b; I guess the '^' is not allowed?

Good question! It could be that Invision doesn’t allow use of carat. But we’ll check and if doable, I’ll let you know. 

Hi d2b! Welcome aboard. We hope you really enjoy Waterpixels. 
 

Were you having a problem with a name on our forum, here? If so, post the name you wanted and we’ll take a look. I’m not aware of any previous issues like that. 

8 minutes ago, RomiK said:

Granted it was used but in pristine conditions and judging my own Aquatica acrylic I have with GH5S it seems to me that micro scratches are unavoidable with acrylic. Invisible for regular shots but may show with sunsets based on subject...🤷‍♂️

That's a really interesting insight, RomiK, Thanks.

Those big Matty Smith ports sound brilliant for splits but, yeah, for traveling, nightmare! I did think of one when I was living in Sint Maarten. But then reality kicked in.....

I'd be slightly wary of using an 8-15 unless for splits unless you are happy with that curved look.

The limited experience I've had of split shots is, as Chip says, to use the biggest dome possible - I'd  say minimum 8"/200mm -  but preferably with a rectilinear lens.

Messing around to try a project with an aircraft landing in Sint Maarten (I never managed to get the mermaid in the bottom half, dammit), this was shot with the Tokina 10-17. Getting a straight sea line was the devil's own job.

Hi vaidhy

Welcome to Waterpixels! We hope yiu really enjoy the forum. Good to have you with us. 

8 minutes ago, vkalia said:

Re price - as a fellow wildlife photographer myself, i can only say that i have never regretted buying what i needed (with some headroom to spare), as opposed to making compromises in the gear to save some money.   

Totally agree with this. It's always nice to get a new piece of gear - but always awful if it leaves you thinking, I wish I'd gone for the (slightly more expensive) version X+.

Buy cheap, regret endlessly, buy twice?

1 hour ago, Jim said:

I'm a bit concerned though about species diversity because it seems that many of the iconic species are becoming more rare.  Perhaps they are just being loved to death. 

This was what we thought on our last visit there in 2019. Slim pickings. 

My focus light uses AAs (an Inon) and I chose it for that reason; and I dont travel with a laptop…. 😝

Chargers are great if you only needed one. But unless you can find things that are, say, USB-C compatible, you end up traveling with a bag full of chargers, cables and plugs. I’ve actually worked quite hard to minimise all of that. Then I can get a spare t-shirt into my bag! 

Hi Wapiti!

Good to have you with us and congrats on the move. I'm sure you'll see lots of familiar names here. We hope you enjoy the forum.

Hi Jim!

Good to have you with us and congrats on the move. With the increasing decline of WP, combined with lack of response from the owner, we thought we should establish a new forum to ensure the community survives. I'm sure you'll see lots of familiar names.

12th trip to Bonaire is quite something! Any thoughts on what changes you have seen there over the years? It'd make for an interesting thread especially as its a popular destination for US uw photographers.

Hi Shelby!

Great to have you with us. A warm welcome. As a WP hand, I’m sure you’ll see lots of familiar names. We hope you like the forum 

Hey Mark

Great to have you with us. Welcome to Waterpixels. I'm sure you'll find a wealth of experience on offer through the forum. Members are terrific at sharing their knowledge and expertise - and helping you spend your money!

Best wishes

Tim

@Interceptor121 @Adventurer

Let's move on, please, gentlemen

3 hours ago, CaolIla said:

Yes... but if it's possible to have a "big" batterie and shoot the double or more as with 8 AA batteries why not 

Oh sure, I totally agree - hence being interested 😀

Yay! Enjoy!!

And don't forget, anytime you need help on how to spend money, Waterpixels is a constant source of inspiration and sound advice. We're here to assist.......

Yeah, I got that too and it was the first I'd heard of it. Fits all of the Retras apart from the originals.

Interesting for sure. One thing I really like about the Retras though is being able to use AA batteries. Easy to charge, transport, replace etc etc.

2 hours ago, scuba_jc said:

Mods if this is against rules please let me know.

Sounds fascinating! Thanks!