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Gates HC-7 Housing: Field Report

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Gates HC-7 Housing: Field Report

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  1. I just returned from a week on the Kona coast of the Big Island of Hawaii. I used the HC-7 and Gates HC-7 housing for about 12 hours of snorkeling. This combination worked wonderfully; and I got some great footage of “schools†of green sea turtles feeding in a turbulent surge zone, 4 species of morays, trumpet fish, cornet fish, an octopus, dolphins near and far, and the usual tangs, wrasses, goatfish, chubs, tilefish, trevallies, and parrot fish.

     

    I filmed on the same reefs last May with the HC-1 and a EWA Marine bag. I got some good footage then, but the video captured with the HC-7 and Gates housing is way better. Even in bright, tropical surface waters the shaded lcd display was easy to see and provided accurate framing without loss of the big picture of fish and corals before me. It is easy to push the manual control knob and select settings with the manual control wheel. I usually used the exposure adjustment, turning the exposure adjustment up or down to accommodate the scene. The zebra pattern was easy to see on the lcd. I hate overexposed coral in the scene, and I was able to adjust the exposure to get the fish and coral in the right zone. You can control focus, exposure, shutter speed, AE shift, and white balance shift with the manual control knobs. You can even control more than one of these at the same time. You could, for example, set the focus to 4 meters, push and hold the knob in a few seconds, scroll down to exposure, and set the exposure to your liking with focus locked at 4 meters. Incidentally, while focus distance is locked in this case, exposure can be adjusted instantly by spinning the knob that is connected to the little wheel on the HC-7. Everything can be reset by pushing the manual control button or knob, holding it in for a few seconds, scrolling down to reset, and selecting reset. Aside from changing exposure, I also adjusted AE shift and focus.

     

    I was swimming near some spinner dolphins in water that had a fair amount of organic flotsam (high surf the previous day). The autofocus would often lock on flotsam in the foreground, so I set the focus to about 4 meters which seemed to work well for dolphins at 5 to 50 feet distance.

     

    I did not get the version with manual white balance. You can set all of the normal presets (standard white balances, peaking, OIS, zebras, etc.) on the camera before you seal it up in the housing.

     

    At about 9 pounds with camera installed, the Gates housing was more stable than the HC-1 and EWA bag, although shaking was still an issue in the surge zone. My guess is that snorkelers are going shake more than divers, even at or near the surface because of the snorkeler’s positive buoyancy.

     

    The HC-7 image is sharper (more detailed) and has less noise than the HC-1. I’m not really sure, but it also seems to have better dynamic range and fewer artifacts. I would guess that its image quality is closer to the FX-7 than the HC-1. Given the combo’s small size, versatility and high quality of footage, I would think that the HC-7 and Gates housing would work very well for amateurs and pros who want or need to travel light.

     

    I found one minor problem when using the standard flat port. I noticed this problem when testing the unit near the surface in a Colorado mountain stream. There were occasional warped, diamond shaped reflections of objects behind the housing (e.g., pine trees). These little anomalies were in the far upper left quadrant of the frame. They appeared to be reflections of objects behind me from the left barrel of the camera, bouncing off the inside of the flat port. These may not be noticeable at any kind of normal diving depth. I remedied the situation by placing a piece of folded, stiff, matte black paper behind the lcd in such a way that the camera and housing held it in place and out of the way of the seal and camera controls. I did not use the orange filter, so I also attached a 37 to 52 step up ring to the front of the camera. (You cannot attach a filter to the camera and still use the orange flip out filter.) This blocked light from the lcd viewing port of the housing. This barrel reflection is not a problem with the standard dome port, and probably would not be an issue with any of the wide angle ports. I can think of a variety of quick and easy fixes, and I am sure you folks could as well.

     

    Tiny bubbles are an issue at the surface and in the surge zone. Swimming through my own wake, a small breaking wave, a parrot fish wake, or in surge zone inevitably deposited a few to a few dozen bubbles on the outside of the port. The domed port seemed to collect more. On my second trip out, I started to routinely sweep the bubbles off the port with a finger. I suppose this practice could lead to earlier degradation of the port surface, but in clean water it’s likely to take a very long time before this is a concern. At only $115 US per standard port, it’s not something I would worry about. The cost of these infrequent trips to tropical seas is far greater. I wonder if you could use a hurricane blower under water to sweep bubbles off the port.

     

    The caps for the ports could be a bit more robust. They tend to fall off at inopportune times. I used a little wrist lanyard to keep from losing the housing in the water.

     

    My overall impression of the housing and camera combo is extremely positive. High quality images, affordability, light weight, good view of the lcd, and decent manual controls make this a very appealing package for what I like to do. If I learn to dive this year, I’ve also got a system that will work well in the deep.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Pat

     

    (Snorkel safe!)

    Edited by scaper
  2. Thanks for a great report Pat! I just got my HC-7 camera yesterday and am loving it. I should be getting the housing in the next 3-4 weeks. I am going to do a weekend trip to either San Carlos Mexico or Catalina Island (assuming it's still there after the fire) to get used to the set-up and then I am going back to Bonaire in September for a week. Can't wait to play!!!

    John

  3. Thanks for a great report Pat! I just got my HC-7 camera yesterday and am loving it. I should be getting the housing in the next 3-4 weeks. I am going to do a weekend trip to either San Carlos Mexico or Catalina Island (assuming it's still there after the fire) to get used to the set-up and then I am going back to Bonaire in September for a week. Can't wait to play!!!

    John

     

     

    Thanks John, the two together have amazing capabilities for the size and price. Looking forward to hearing about your trips. The folks in Catalina will probably be glad to see you.

     

    Pat

  4. thanks scaper... my Gates HC7 housing should be halfway over the Pacific now :rolleyes: How was the buoyancy of the housing w/ the standard port? Slightly negative?

  5. How did you find the ability to see the cameras LCD screen inside the housing.

     

    Thats good that you can still set things manually, although sounds abit fidley.

  6. I hope scaper doesn't mind me piggybacking onto his thread. My Gates HC-7 housing landed yesterday and I got a chance to just play around with it at home. Bear with me as this is my first u/w video housing. Despite having seen this housing in person at ADEX last month, I forgot how compact it is (well not as tiny as the Seatool!). As scaper has covered most of the features of this housing, I will just add a few photos. I got the MWB control option and the Fathoms WP-25 WA port. I agree, a more robust lens cap would be appreciated given the cost of that optical port! I might stop by a local custom wetsuit maker and see if I can get something made to better protect the port.

     

    First, a pic of the HC-7 mounted...

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    View of the LCD. The window is fairly large and can view it from various angles from below and from above.

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    view of the Fathoms WP-25 wide angle port. Note the silver barrel of the HC-7 showing. This might cause some problems with reflections off the dome.

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    The dial controller and assign button.

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    The Manual White Balance wand...

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    And here is the 4 step process for setting MWB once you've rearranged the custom menus. Basically a combination of rotating the wand and pushing it... An added benefit is you can also reach the telemacro button if you set that just above the WB button.

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    Now the slight ring of silver from the HC7 barrel showing... Using the snapshot feature of the HC7 in the housing, you can clearly see the barrell reflection when you have a strong light source from the front. I guess I'll try to pick up some matted tape and cover it up. But again, I guess the rule for u/w video in ambient light is to always shoot with the sun behind. But would be a problem with backlit subjects...

     

    Here the bright monitor and ceiling light

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    Well, I might get a chance to take it underwater Saturday, but as it's a shore dive, there might not be too many exciting subjects other than some fellow dive club members practicing some rescue courses...

     

    Oh and many thanks to Joe at www.marinevisions.com for getting this out to me in HK!!

    Edited by pakman
  7. Pakman

    Even with matte tape you will get some sort of reflection from the lens (which you really shouldn't tape over :)). I think the problem stems from having one WA lens that fits many cameras. You may wish to bring this up with Gates and see what they can do.

    Edited by Drew
  8. Well, I did happen to find some matted tape that came with my DSLR dome port and and applied it over the barrel end and that solved the problem you see in the two pics above. Sure if I blast my 21W HID directly at the port from the front I can clearly see the HC7 lens and "ssieZ lraC" written on it :)... But if the HID is placed above and slightly behind the dome, I don't see any reflections while trying a closely lit macro shot... Well anyways, let's see how it does in the field... unfortunately forecast calls for rain all weekend...

    Edited by pakman
  9. Hy,

     

    sorry for my bad English, but with the simpel Sony Sports Hosuings comes a Protector Ring in Black for the Lense to have no reflexions. I bought this with a HC3 and this Ring works fine..

     

    Maybe it works also for a HC7

     

    Best regards

     

    Michael

  10. Do we have a consensus on the HC7 low light performance yet ?

     

    Hy,

     

    sorry for my bad English, but with the simpel Sony Sports Hosuings comes a Protector Ring in Black for the Lense to have no reflexions. I bought this with a HC3 and this Ring works fine..

     

    Maybe it works also for a HC7

     

    Best regards

     

    Michael

  11. Pakman

    There is a possibility that the SWP25 isn't air/water compatible. Check it out u/w with a sun shot and let us know. It is the problem with having one lens fits all new models.

  12. Pakman

    There is a possibility that the SWP25 isn't air/water compatible. Check it out u/w with a sun shot and let us know. It is the problem with having one lens fits all new models.

     

     

    FWIW the WP25 (which Pakman has) and SWP25 are spec'd out to be both air and water compatible, though there is extra language on the SWP25 which is interesting and not quite sure what it means.

     

    The WP25 says "Use In Air and Water - and for air/water split shots"

    The SWP25 says "Use In Air and Water - and for air/water split shots (when compatible)"

     

    But like you mentioned contacting Gates should get good suggestions/help for what they recommend

     

    Pakman, remember to shut off the recording red light, that will reflect, especially in dark places, and you will get a nice red dot showing up periodically in the footage.

  13. What I am saying is the SWP/WP25 was designed at least 2 years ago. The HC series of cameras came after the design. The double reflection effect of the internal elements is more obvious in the air. Hence I would check about the compatibility. I suspect you will see those reflections in the air but not in the water as the light path will change in water. But it's best to check.

  14. Thanks for clarifying that last part Drew as I wasn't sure what you were getting at before :). Well I took it underwater today and didn't have any problems in 2-3m or topside, but then again it was an overcast sky. Also, I had left the matted tape on from the night before but didn't have time to try it without the tape. Now that I reread the orignal post here, I would have thought scaper would have seen the reflection if it was a problem underwater considering he was snorkeling in sunny Hawaii.

    Edited by pakman
  15. Thats a real interesting setup, how it works and stuff. :)

    Knobs and things going everywhere.

     

    Hope you can post some underwater video from it,

  16. Hope you can post some underwater video from it,

     

    I would but I'd have to put a warning up for people who get motion sickness easily :) ... make sure you have a vomit bag nearby when watching my first clips... :):)

     

    BTW, been trying Edius... starting to figure things out...

     

    Oh about the MWB, actually by the end of the dive, I got the hang of setting it pretty quickly.

  17. Ha ha ...O well you have to start somewhere :)

    Get to know all the controls on the camera/housing, keep it steady and try to think of each shot as if you were taking a photo except each photo is about 10 to 20 seconds long. :)

     

    EDIUS is up to 4.24 now and soon to be released version 4.25.

    4.25 will have AC3 audio (DVD) encoding and have a new look to it, but everything will be in the same places though. They are all free updates.

    Edited by wagsy
  18. But did anyone actually take the HC7 to 30m and lived to tell us about it ? We know the HC3 performed well underwater, does the HC7 ?

  19. Sorry for the delay in getting back on this thread. I couldn't post for about a week. Thanks Pakman for posting photos of the housing and adding your feedback. I'm looking forward to reading about your first underwater trips with the housing and camera.

     

    Wagsy, the controls are perhaps a bit fiddly, but that is really a function of the camera not the housing. There isn't the wealth of external manual controls that you would find on a Z1, FX7, FX1, A1, and all of the HC-7's bigger brothers. On the other hand, I think it is easier to control many of the manual functions on this camera when it is in the housing. The scroll wheel and button are easier to manipulate with Gate's large knobs. Later this weekend I will put the camera in the housing and see how quickly I can switch several settings. I'm pretty impressed with the camera-housing combination. It gets you video that can be comparable to the more pro cameras in a small, light-weight setup at less than half the cost and weight.

     

    The LCD is more visible in the housing than you would typically find if you were using the camera outdoors on land. The LCD compartment effectively shades the screen from ambient light. In a worst case, i.e., you are near the surface on a bright sunny day and direct sunlight is shining on the lcd, it is no worse than using the camera in a similar situation on land. Otherwise, the visibility of the LCD in the housing in surface waters on a bright day is comparable to its visibility outside of the housing indoors during the day. In other words, it's quite good. I have been lusting after an FX-7 recently, and one of the many things I like about this camera is the large high resolution LCD and viewfinder displays. You won't get that kind of clarity with the HC-7 LCD, but that's one of the tradeoffs for lower size and weight. If you test an HC-7 at a camera store, I think you will get a good feel for what you're going to see using the housing underwater.

     

    Cheers!

     

    Pat

  20. Hey Frenchguy, with my icredible free diving capabilities I was able to take it to 2 meters!

     

    The HC-7 video quality is impressive. Last year I filmed with the HC-1. When I was showing some raw, HC-7 reef footage to my wife last week, she said that it was clearly much better quality than the HC-1. There is slightly more detail, the normal color/saturation biases of the HC-7 work nicely underwater, and there is less noise than the HC-1 even in good lighting. The HC-7 is supposed to be better than the HC-3, and the Gates housing for each is essentially the same thing. I'm not sure, however, how the two cameras compare in low light.

     

    Pat

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