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Florida Fishermnn Lands 844-pound Mako Shark

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Florida Fishermnn Lands 844-pound Mako Shark

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    WILLIAM HATFIELD Florida Freedom Newspapers

     

    ESTIN – Adlee Bruner’s fishing story is about the big one that didn’t get away.

     

    Bruner and five friends headed out Saturday morning on a charter boat, hoping to catch some grouper to enter in the annual Destin Fishing Rodeo.

     

    Instead, Bruner landed a gargantuan 844.4-pound mako shark, setting a new record for the decades-old tournament.

     

    http://www.nwfdailynews.com/redir/9588.php

     

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    Seems like Florida sport fishermen are hellbent on no catch-and-release. Each week we read about another large shark taken from their waters. What can be done to tide the "red neck" factor and actually take a sustainable approach to Florida sport fishing?

  2. Educating the young ones is our only hope.

     

    You have no chance in converting western fat beer belly lord of the flies blokes.....Just let them die out.... :)

    You should see what they do at Ningaloo and other places like Kurumba in Queensland.

    And it's all just for FUN...

  3. A man who knows his sister better than anyone else...If you catch my drift.. :D

     

    No not you Wags your lovely... :)

     

    Dive safe

     

    DeanB

  4. Not all Floridian fishermen are rednecks bent on ridding the oceans of sharks. In fact, the guys who caught the mako in question are practitioners of catch-and-release fishing:

    Bruner, who is self-employed from Bruce, Fla., and has fished many other times with Hill, said it’s also likely the only time he’ll ever land and keep a big shark.

     

    “Ninety-nine percent of the time we catch sharks and let them go. (But) it’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.â€

     

    Hill concurred.

     

    “This is the biggest thing I’ve ever seen or caught myself.

     

    “Basically, when you have good customers who’ve been fishing for something like this for years, you can’t pass it up.

     

    “We normally catch and release all sharks. This was a special occasion just because of the size. And it was a rodeo record.

     

    “There’s people that fish all their lives and never see anything like that.â€

  5. Apparently not when it comes to sharks species at risk such as the mako...especially higly productive ones of this size. It's like saying "I don't lie" unless it i really feel like it LOL

  6. Exactly Shawn...

     

    Dive safe

     

    DeanB

  7. Solutions

     

    a ) get rid of the sharks

    b ) get rid of the fishermen

     

    i am up for b ) ... anyone wanna come hunting ?

  8. Well Giles, I usually don't hunt fishermen (just catch and release) but I have never seen a fishermen like this one. I think I will keep this one and display him for photos. Oh yeah, fishermen aren't endangered either.

     

    (in jest of course) -_-

  9. By "sustainable approach to Florida sport fishing" do you really mean "release everything"? Is it okay for anyone to keep a shark they catch? Would you suggest that mature females be protected, or would every shark be granted protected status? Would shortfin makos be on the forbidden list but not blues?

  10. Good Question: I think if you have done your research on shark populations, you would have your answer. Given the dismal state of things, we should be releasing every shark possible...nice and simple enough for anyone to follow. Does that answer your question?

  11. I have done my research on shark populations, both academically and professionally. That's how I know that while your idealistic shark fishing policy suggestion is indeed clean and "easy to follow", it's also unrealistic and unreasonable.

     

    There's obviously something appealing about someone who abstains from something completely or adheres rigidly to their principles. Hell, millions of Americans voted for Bush twice because he believes in a magic man in the sky and possesses unwavering "resolve" even in the face of reality and disaster. But the "cold turkey", absolutist approach is not necessarily the right one, and it is often totally unproductive.

     

    So I'm wondering, still, is there any kind of legislation or management or policy less than "release all sharks" that would be productive or worthwhile? Is fishery management just a big joke, a waste of time, a fool's errand?

  12. I am not sure why release all is not practical. Seems the most simple and most effective method. US Fisheries law requires you release all Dolphins, Turtles, Whales, Manatees, Goliath Grouper, Seals, and Sea Lions. Heck, the Marine Mammal Protection Act was even more broad representing more then just a species but an entire class of creatures (Mammals). This has been reasonably effective and has been straightforward to enforce. You either caught it or you didn't...end of story.

     

    Why can't sharks be added to the list now? When they are almost extinct they will make this law anyway?

    Edited by shawnh
  13. I have done my research on shark populations, both academically and professionally. That's how I know that while your idealistic shark fishing policy suggestion is indeed clean and "easy to follow", it's also unrealistic and unreasonable.

     

    dac - forgive me for sounding negative or contrary but a quote such as this deserves some quantification in this serious thread. your academic qualification could prove useful to those of us that are trying to bring about important change within the fishing world be that commercial or recreational, so please do us the service of allowing us to be party to your reason when you make your reply, that way we might be better informed when we decide whether or not to pursue a course of action.

     

    mark.

  14. I have done my research on shark populations, both academically and professionally. That's how I know that while your idealistic shark fishing policy suggestion is indeed clean and "easy to follow", it's also unrealistic and unreasonable.

     

    There's obviously something appealing about someone who abstains from something completely or adheres rigidly to their principles. Hell, millions of Americans voted for Bush twice because he believes in a magic man in the sky and possesses unwavering "resolve" even in the face of reality and disaster. But the "cold turkey", absolutist approach is not necessarily the right one, and it is often totally unproductive.

     

    So I'm wondering, still, is there any kind of legislation or management or policy less than "release all sharks" that would be productive or worthwhile? Is fishery management just a big joke, a waste of time, a fool's errand?

     

     

    To answer your last question, yes. Fishery Management becomes a joke when a seriously declining shark population goes ignored. Even in the face of the "reality and disaster" of the situation world-wide we blindly go steadfast down the path of least resistance.

  15. Mark,

     

    I've been a shark geek since kindergarten. I interned at Mote, did as much shark-related work as I could during college (hands-on and reading), and then went on to Peace Corps service (fisheries, Tonga) and several years of field work and surveys for NMFS and state agencies. I've gotten my feet wet and my hands dirty in shark research, and I've kept abreast of shark issues since I was in middle school. I'm now a science writer, illustrator, and editor at Houghton Mifflin in Boston, and I plan on writing and illustrating my own books on marine life. I don't consider myself scientist, and I know that none of my experiences are particularly rare or impressive, but I think I've got the background and the knowledge to feel okay about occasionally chiming in on wetpixel threads. If someone says that Florida fishermen are dumb rednecks who don't care about the environment, I'm going to remember my experiences tagging sharks on rec boats in the Gulf of Mexico and the fishermen who were neither stupid nor ignorant of the plight of some shark populations––despite their fondness for shark fishing and their long southern drawls. Likewise, if someone suggests that just leaving all sharks alone is a realistic or wise policy, I'm going to ask them why, and I'm going to hope that their reasoning goes beyond "because it's easy to understand."

     

    Sometimes the easiest or simplest conservation policies end up being counterproductive. For example, limitations and closures of swordfish longling in the U.S. were appealing (and legally necessary, due to the strict language of the ESA) because endangered and threatened turtles were being injured and killed by U.S. longlines and drift gillnets. But by closing those fisheries the demand for swordfish simply shifted overseas to places like Brazil and Ecuador and Panama, where turtle bycatch far exceeds that of U.S. waters. So what is the net effect of limited swordfishing in U.S. fisheries? Well, U.S. fishermen take the hit, while the dirtier foreign fisheries are rewarded and encouraged. In 2006, 7000 metric tons of sword were imported to the U.S. from places where turtle bycatch rates are terrible or unknown, while U.S. fishermen landed a little more than 2800 mt. Might it have been better (or less bad) for sea turtle populations if fishing effort had not be curtailed in U.S. sword fisheries? I think so. There was the legal and moral obligation to prevent takes of turtles, but by not paying attention to the big, complicated picture, the situation was arguably made worse.

     

    Should all sharks be protected? If 20% of elasmobranch populations are in trouble, is it scientifically wise to protect 100% of them or is it just pleasing because we can say that we're protecting all elasmobranchs? Should shortfin makos be protected because they're in serious trouble, or simply because they are biologically predisposed to overexploitation? It's easy enough to say "Yeah, just leave 'em alone," but what about people whose choices of food and livelihood are not as abundant as ours? If some marine mammal populations are now thriving to the point of threatening the stability or existence of other marine populations, should they remain protected because they are marine mammals? For example, the population of gray seals on Cape Cod is unbelievably high, which has brought in great whites (yay) but also resulted in extreme declines of fish species that the seals prey upon. What now? The protection of the seals has obviously worked for that species, but in doing so maybe we've messed up things for other species. Again, the simple and pleasing policy sure felt great, but is it really the smart thing to do?

  16. Daniel, this sounds pretty informed. Thus far, you have pointed out the flaws with proposals to protect sharks and presented reasons why they should not and could not succeed. You have also gone as far as to say that the majority of sharks ("80%") are not in trouble. I think many of the readers would also enjoy a recommedation on action that you believe would succeed in protecting shark populations. I think folks would also like to better understand what your assertion that only 20% of shark populations are in trouble is based upon?

     

    Do you consider a species to be in "trouble" only when extinction is impending? Do you only recommend action when such is the case? This sounds very consistent with current fisheries management policy that has lead to collapse of many of the worlds major fisheries.

    Edited by shawnh
  17. Maybe the protection of the seals has obviously worked for that species, but in doing so maybe we've messed up things for other species.?

     

    Well maybe it would all be OKAY if SHARK numbers were not so low therefore the numbers of seals would be kept under control like mother nature intended?

     

    If some marine mammal populations are now thriving to the point of threatening the stability or existence of other marine populations

     

    Why are they thriving then? By protecting them it's like mother nature intended anyhow so the reason there is an over abundant supply of a species is because MAN has put/done something in/out of the equation to upset things.

     

    Don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out. I alway remember the otter story about why the Kelp Forests were dying simple because they killed all the otters that ate the sea urchins that ate the Kelp Forrest. :)

    Edited by wagsy
  18. If I'm reading you correctly, wagsy, you are suggesting that all population booms and busts, and any out-of-whack ecosystems in general, are the fault of humanity's meddling, past and/or present. That's a handy way of envisioning ecology––it's all our fault, one way or another, because we stuck our noses where mother nature didn't want us to––but it's not realistic or helpful. No doubt we've affected things in ways that otherwise wouldn't have occurred,and we can certainly quantify some of those effects, and we may indeed be triggering the sixth mass extinction in Earth's history. But now what? Do we simply scale back our ecological footprints across the board and hope for the best? After decades (or in some cases centuries) of commercial fishing, will we really save the declining populations by taking the simplest or most pleasingly intuitive approach? Once you accept that we're all in the game, and that there's no turning back to an Eden-like world (which never existed in the first place), the question and the challenge becomes, "Can we figure out ecosystem dynamics so that we can "meddle" (live our lives and not migrate to Mars) in a way that doesn't destroy the habitats and populations that we both depend upon and want to protect?" One way to answer that question and meet that noble challenge is to recognize that we can do damage even when we're trying to do right.

     

    Which is why I bring up the MMA and the explosion of gray seals on Cape Cod. Of COURSE the decline of large pinniped-eating sharks (whites; maybe mature makos, too) may be our fault, and that may in turn have allowed the seals to thrive beyond where they were in the old days––or beyond where we or other species would like them to be. Maybe, maybe not. We really don't know, nor can we (though we can certainly compile compelling evidence and publish results in scientific journals). But anyhow, NOW WHAT? By limiting our proactive meddling to protection and moratoriums and the like, we are simply ignoring the possibility that we can screw things up just as severely by doing what seems right. So, now that we've got California sea lions living on the docks in SF, and grey seals setting up enormous colonies on the Cape, do we just assume "Well, this is probably the way it's supposed to be, the way nature intended it"? Are negative outcomes of conservation our fault in the same way that overfishing, habitat destruction, etc. are our fault? When we know that populations go boom and bust without our intervention, how do we identify when we are at fault? And what then?

     

    In the case of the Alaskan otters, do we try to right things by protecting the seals and sea lions that the killer whales "should be" eating, with the hope that the otters will then come back and eat those overabundant urchins and put things back in "balance" (which never really existed)? Do we start harvesting urchins? Do we stop protecting the killer whales, since they're eating the otters? Do we just remove ourselves from the "equation" entirely, go vegan, and see how things look in a decade? Is one solution really any better than another? What are our criteria?

     

    This stuff is tough. In fact, it's a lot tougher than rocket science. We've affected some systems so completely, from top to bottom, that it's really f-ing hard to know what the hell is going on. Here's a weird modern picture: a trawler on Georges Bank hauls up a bag full of groundfish, and tunas and seabirds follow the net up so they can feed on herring and other stuff that slips through the codend. Pilot whales follow the boat all week, living off bycatch and even tripping open the net to get at the catch. Gulls, cormorants, and other birds literally eat nothing but the discarded offal from the boat. The bottom is scarred and churned up by the heavy gear, ruining habitat for some while improving it for others. From surface to benthos, it's all affected. So, what would happen if the trawlers went away? Beats me, but I'd prefer if we try to figure that out and weigh our options instead of simply assuming that the system would heal itself quickest or most completely if we simply scuttled every trawler and went to sea only to take nice photos.

     

    shawnh,

     

    Last I heard, the IUCN suggests that 20% of elasmobranch species are endangered. My point is not that that figure is "only" 20% and therefore insignificant, or that we should only worry about what's on the Red List, but that we ought to acknowledge that some sharks are okay and others aren't. This is not because I want to paint a rosy picture or put rose-tinted glasses on you, but simply because those are the facts as best as we can tell. It's kind of strange that we talk about sharks as though they are this single entity––I can't count the number of times that sharks are still referred to as "a species" in popular media––whereas we are fully capable of getting specific about endangered birds or endangered terrestrial mammals. For example, everyone knew of the bald eagle's plight when they were endangered but nobody lumped them in with herring gulls or blue jays. Likewise for polar bears versus white-tailed deer. Let's get specific, let's get detailed, and let's admit that the path that we take toward a healthier planet is never going to lead back to Eden or result in a "balance of nature."

  19. daniel,

     

    i wasn't actually questioning you to quantify your ability to comment, i've seen your posts before and know fully well that you are well versed in such discussion, i just thought that you needed to quantify your reasoning for the benefit of those reading and hopefully for the benefit of those of us hoping to secure the future of shark populations.

     

    i appreciate that you cite the after effects of US longline legislation as being negative in other countries such as ecuador. but what would have happened if that legisaltion was never implemented? US populations would probably have declined due to unsustainable practice, resulting in exactly the same exploitation of non US populations when the supply was unable to be met from domestic stock. but thanks to the legislation, US stocks remain the envy of world fishery standard (from a conservation point of view) and we can only hope that other countries see the benefit and follow that lead. ok so US fishermen themselves don't receive the direct benefit of that but then they would have lost out in the long run when stock collapsed. no different from other industries that have lost out due to resource failure in domestic stock. also, we know that seasonality in swordfish takes suggests migratory behaviour, who knows how far or what routes, so maybe the protected US stocks are preventing or delaying the collapse of the less conservative nations.

     

    and should we be relying on data issued by IUCN and CITES? we know as photographers and filmmakers that what we see turning up on beaches during our work, takes probably two, three or four years to show on IUCN lisintgs, and be credited with some form of protection.

     

    as for the 20% quotation, referring to the above quote regarding IUCN, we should not be to lackadaisical about accepting that as gospel. instead we should be encuoraging everyone to embrace the idea that we know that these extinctions will happen if we don't act, and that we are in the unique position of being able to prevent this from happening rather than trying to recoup lost populations from a handful of surviving individuals as has been the case with most conservation of species attempts.

     

    we should not shy away from protective legislation for fear of creating manageable imbalance. loss of an apex predator is a huge ecological problem. management of over successful middle predators is a problem but not an insurmountable one.

     

    the nature conservancy council has recently lost an appeal at tribunal to ban fishing in 16 grey nurse shark habitats. the tribunal ruled in favour of sovereignty stating that the NSW administration are the only ones able to enforce legislation. that may be, but should our fear at this point be the loss of the last 500 individuals of this species or the fear of saving them and then facing a problem of managing a population explosion?

     

    regards,

     

    mark

    Edited by writepic
  20. Daniel, I would like to ask you again to propose a solution. So far, you have said, lets not take action and seek to understand. When the house is burning, you take immediate action to save people then figure out why the fire started. I hear you suggesting what is equivalent to saying, "let everyone burn while we try to figure out what is the exact cause of the fire". In this case we are dealing with what is perhaps one of the most complex equations in nature(as you readily acknowledge)...an equation we will never fully understand.

     

    The "take no action until we can prove exactly what is happening" approach is exactly the arguement commercial fishing interests have been using for years...the same policy that has enabled them to plunder most fish stocks.

     

    So again, I ask that instead of rhetoric, you offer an actionable solution to address shark exploitation...wait and figure it out doesn't cut it. Without offering an alternative, criticism of other proposed solutions is of little value...unless of course your desired outcome is that we do nothing and let commerical fishing industry do what they will with elasmobranchs, even to to the point of extinction.

    Edited by shawnh

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