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Nikon MX rumours

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Nikon MX rumours

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  1. Nikon folk are currently enjoying themselves speculating on whether the "high resolution nikon" will have a sensor that is larger than FX called MX - a medium format. While this is all speculation, I thought it would be fun to consider whether a higher resolution sensor, with the same sized pixels as the D3, would be attractive for underwater photography.

     

    Give the inherent problems of medium format underwater, combined to the fact that even if it makes an MX camera, Nikon is hardly going to introduce a perfect suite of MX lenses for the underwater photography.

     

    Any thoughts?

     

    Alex

  2. Nikon folk are currently enjoying themselves speculating on whether the "high resolution nikon" will have a sensor that is larger than FX called MX - a medium format. While this is all speculation, I thought it would be fun to consider whether a higher resolution sensor, with the same sized pixels as the D3, would be attractive for underwater photography.

     

    Give the inherent problems of medium format underwater, combined to the fact that even if it makes an MX camera, Nikon is hardly going to introduce a perfect suite of MX lenses for the underwater photography.

     

    Any thoughts?

     

    Alex

     

     

    If it were suitable for use underwater I would still be using a Sinar/Hasselblad/Nikon F2. I never got to get my D2x underwater. Maybe I can now afford to flood it thanks to its crashing value. I'd like to have the 'best' gear but I've reached the point when it is not the kit that limits me - it's me! I keep taking pictures and believe it or not, I'm getting better at it. It reminds me of the time when undertaking an extension to my house (with a superbly equipped toolkit), I had to call in a professional who turned up with a hammer, a saw, a chisel - and the skill to use them!

     

    There is rarely a call for underwater pics to fill a 64-sheet poster so 6megapixels is probably enough. Bret has written a very intelligent piece about this in Undercurrent this month. I would still be using the S2 Pro if I could see through the viewfinder when it's in its Subal housing. However, it is nice to have a larger LCD too. I'm doing that review of DSLRs that maybe Steve spoke to you (Alex) about. I'm not drooling. Then again, yesterday a bloke admired my £200 push-bike and I now drive a diesel car. My world is changing. I no longer want to own things. I want to own servants!!!

    Edited by John Bantin
  3. I would love to try an MF camera for my pool stuff; but for diving I still have not decided if I would use DX or FX more.

  4. John you make me feel better about my 6mp camera.. ;)

     

    Medium format? hmmmm

     

    not for me

  5. It would be attractive with the proper lenses, but getting the proper lenses would seem unlikely. Wide angle would be easier to see than macro.

     

    The most popular rumor, though it seems far fetched, is 54 mm x 54 mm allowing existing FX lenses to work in some form. How that would work is anybody's guess. A basic macro lens would need at least 1.5:1 and most would want a 3:1 option. If you have to use teleconverters to achieve that then why bother?

     

    It will be interesting to see what, if anything, this turns out to be. I'd prefer more resolution in a usable format to the same cell size in a bigger sensor that I can't use. It's true, though, that sensor size has to grow at some point.

  6. John you make me feel better about my 6mp camera.. ;)

     

    Medium format? hmmmm

     

    not for me

     

     

    Mike, We don't feel better about you getting more opportunities to use it than most of us. I remember a housing importer saying to me many years ago, "The trouble is that you keep taking it in the sea. Most of my customers put their housings under their beds!" Read Bret's article in Undercurrent.

    Edited by John Bantin
  7. Perusing all the various threads on a Google search, makes for a very interesting read. If this turns out to be similar in size and concept to a Mamiya 6, with all the different lens options (FX, DX, MX), rangefinder / liveview options etc then we may be looking at the modular concept Nikon that Thom Hogan has been talking about. With this type of flexibility it may well be possible that a specific ideal underwater version could be assembled. In which case housing manufacturers may show more interest than they have previously in MF cameras. Speculation I know, but maybe worth waiting for.

  8. No, the D2X was too damn big. The D300 is great. I imagine the D700 will be also.

     

    I suspect it will be difficult to get the proper dome for optimal wide angle sharpness. Especially considering how much you would be paying to get this camera UW in the first place. You pay that kind of money you expect perfection.

  9. No, the D2X was too damn big. The D300 is great. I imagine the D700 will be also.

     

    I suspect it will be difficult to get the proper dome for optimal wide angle sharpness. Especially considering how much you would be paying to get this camera UW in the first place. You pay that kind of money you expect perfection.

     

    See this thread:

    http://wetpixel.com/forums/index.php?showt...mp;#entry185616

  10. Would I use one? No.

     

    Recently on some forum, someone through out the fact that his view camera produced higher res images than some digital camera. This type of statement has been around since the first digital camera. The problem is that the person doesn't understand the issue. It's like saying, "I know this new Ford goes 0-60mph in 5 seconds, but my Formula 1 car goes much faster."

     

    The evolution of camera usage has never moved to higher quality images. The evolution has been to easier to use, more convenient systems that produce acceptable results. If it were a matter of image quality only, we'd all be carrying around our Speed Graphics on vacation or at the family picnic.

     

    We talk about APS size sensors. Think about the history of APS. It's failure to be accepted wasn't because of image quality. It was because the convenience factor wasn't great enough vs. 35mm.

     

    What we take for granted in the digital revolution is the derivative development of ever expanding capabilities in the same box. We get these at a far faster rate because of the whole stupid megapixel race. I felt so cool when I bought a 35mm camera that had aperture priority. Now look at all the features that trickle down to even the consumer level dSLRs. These features are what drive my decisions, not the idea of ever increasing pixels.

     

    Low noise at high ISOs, while shooting in Auto ISO. That's like a dream. Voice annotation, GPS info and features like that, although personally not useful, still amaze me. I'm not looking for MF type resolution. I'm waiting for features I've never thought possible that I could really use.

  11. If it will help me to take better photos in murky and dully lit conditions during a fast drift over absolutely stunning bryozoa/sponge/squirt covered reefs like my dives yesterday then I'm all in favour of it. On the other hand if its not the camera and merely conditions and my capabilities that are limiting my pictures then I'll stick with what I've got (just a bit more likely I suspect).

     

    John, I can supply you with a S2 with housing and big viewfinder then you can go back to 6MPixel if you'd like!

  12. If it will help me to take better photos in murky and dully lit conditions during a fast drift over absolutely stunning bryozoa/sponge/squirt covered reefs like my dives yesterday then I'm all in favour of it. On the other hand if its not the camera and merely conditions and my capabilities that are limiting my pictures then I'll stick with what I've got (just a bit more likely I suspect).

     

    John, I can supply you with a S2 with housing and big viewfinder then you can go back to 6MPixel if you'd like!

     

     

    Why did I used to shoot on 10x8? Because my competitors did. However, art directors might ask for big files but they haven't caught on to the fact you can simply enterpolate them when you convert from RAW! So until the demand is there I am condemned to using the two D200 I bought for use underwater. (I stopped bothering to look through the viewfinder much of the time. It's amazing what you can get right without after a bit (say 20 years) of practice.) I still use the Fuji S2 for all the product shots you see in our mag. No-one complains!

    Edited by John Bantin
  13. All based on speculation I know, but if the Nikon MX rumour turns out to be a Mamiya 6 sized camera, this body would be no bigger than the full frame DSLR's presently available, much like a large P&S. I don't think it's out of the question then to consider housing this camera. Of course lens availability is important; one lens rumored is a 24mm, not much beyond present FF wide angle choices. I would certainly volunteer to try this housing and camera out for any manufacturer that offers. :)

  14. On Engadget

     

    > what is this

    The rumors and small information leaks remain pretty centered on one thing: Nikon's next big thing will probably be a larger-than-FX format camera, ala the Leica S2. Even comments out of Nikon officials, such as the "there will be no D3x" comment that came out of SE Asia seem to support this.

     

    As I've written in another thread, I'm not a fan of this approach by Nikon UNLESS it is also accompanied by a high-resolution FX body. A good 24mp larger-than-FX MF1, 24mp FX D3x, and 24mp FX D800 would be a knock-out blow on the pro level, I think. A 24mp larger-than-FX MF1 all by itself would be a head shaker to most of the Nikon faithful. Remember, Nikon asked us to invest in a different lens set once before, and we've yet to feel like THAT set OR the FX set has been fully fleshed out. I really don't want to have three different lens sets in my gear closet. If that's what happens, why wouldn't I choose m4/3, F-mount FX, and Hasselblad as the three lens sets to own, for example?

     

    > and are these real ads?

    That is debatable. What happens when rumors start coalescing around details prior to a product intro (e.g., new MF mount coming) is that you get a mix of stuff circulating, some of which is real, some of which is someone's take on what is coming.

     

    The thing that strikes me is that this is a series of ads. The question is this: why would you need a series? If we expect a camera to be launched at WPPI/PMA in early 2009, then we're already at the point where teaser ads would need to have been produced and be headed towards the media they're targeted for. We've already had one such ad, the WPPI "Something Big" teaser in Rangefinder. We'd need followup ads appearing in publications with Nov, Dec, and Jan dates.

     

    I'm personally not a fan of teasing in marketing. It's extremely difficult to pull off correctly. On the one hand, you have the possibility of over-teasing (getting excitement higher than the actual product details justify--this can be price, delivery date, feature, or quality driven disappointment). On the other hand, you are starting to telegraph your plan to your competitors, who will almost certainly try to bracket you or dilute the impact of your announcement. Teasing is a very tricky tactic to master.

     

    It also struck me in looking at these ads that they could be something else: they could be the result of an ad company presenting to Nikon to win their ad business. Sometimes when you have big changes afoot, you solicit bids on the account. You give them some briefing on what you're up to (e.g., "we're going to do a MF camera"), they present back some options for a new type of campaign, one that you haven't done before and is distinctively different than what your current ad company is doing. The look of these ads reminds of that kind of presentation: simple concept, crude/detailless execution. This could explain the questionable mount, for example. In an ad campaign mockup you'll tolerate such things; it's the big (pardon the pun) picture that counts. If this is indeed such a presentation, I'd guess that this ad company didn't win the account (or is about to lose it due to leaks).

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