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Housing for Sony HDR-HC3 (HDV)

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Housing for Sony HDR-HC3 (HDV)

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  1. I have a Sony HC3 and am looking for a housing so I can capture some of the majic that we have in the waters off Western Australia :D

     

    I would specificaly like to ask if anyone has used the Ocean Images housing that is specifically designed for the HC3? if so what experiences have you had with the mechanical control for WB whilst UW?

     

    If anyone else is using another housing (Gates/ilke etc) with this camera model, I would be really interested in your experiences and/or recmmendations.

     

    Cheers from West Oz

     

    Rohan

  2. Hi Rohan

     

    I nearly bought the HC3 a few weeks ago, but the delivery was delayed enough to miss a trip with it so I cancelled. The housing that really interested me was the Light and Motion one and it had access to WB, which none of the others seemed to have.

     

    No first hand experience using it, it was just what I would have bought if I ended up getting a housing for it.

     

    Cheers, Simon

  3. Just spoke to John at Gates and they have a housing for the Hc-3. You might want to seriously consider it.

    Steve B)

  4. Thanks for the help guys :D

     

    The Gates housing is nearly twice the price as the Ocean Images one - around $3000 compared to $1520 - although has a better range of ports. The Light and Motion housing is also about $3000. As for the white balance - it seems that both Ocean Images and light and Motion (Bluefin HC3) use mechanical controls to access the one touch white balance of the touch screen so looks like I'll be going for ocean images!

     

    Rohan

  5. Ah excellent, I hadn't realised that the Ocean Images housing had access to WB. Please let us know how you get on with the housing and how the HC3 performs underwater!

     

    Cheers, Simon

     

    edited - I just looked at the Gates housing online - very nice and it's being advertised at around $2000 with no need for a monitor due to a similar design to the PC housings that allow you to see the LCD screen. I'd say that they are onto a winner with that one and it has access to WB too.

    Edited by SimonSpear
  6. Hold your horses Simon. I don't think the Gates supports One Touch Custom WB. It has controls for the "assignable button and roller". That only gives you manual shifts on focus, exposure and WB. I haven't been able to find a way to assign the Custom WB function to the button.

     

    The Ocean Images housing has "prodder" control fingers that allow you to operate the screen underwater - though how practical that is I don't know.

     

    The Light & Motion housing says that, "An advanced new control set allows the user to access the touch screen menu to provide for One-Touch White Balance, Tele Macro Mode and Smooth Slow Motion." Sounds promising, I wonder if it allows menu navigation via LANC.

     

    edit: I just read Barrett's post about how it works. Still sounds promising.

     

    I just got my HC3 at the weekend and have started looking at housings.

     

    Martyn

    Edited by Rattus
  7. I don't think any of the housings provide 'one touch' WB - the HC3 just doesn't allow for it.

     

    What really interested me about the Gates housing though when I looked at it was the fact the the LCD screen is visable - therefore you don't have to add on the extra cost of a monitor, which can easily be another $800 on top. One thing is strange though - when I looked the other day it definately said on their web site that the housing had WB control - now when I just rechecked it says 'assignable button and roller', hmmmmmm will have to get this clarified I think.

     

    The HC3 could be a really nice travel camcorder due to it's size and the size of the housings coming out for it. I'll have to start thinking about buying one again I think :lol:

     

    Cheers, Simon

  8. Indeed, nothing gives you One touch WB on a hardware button, because it's not (as far as I understand) available in the LANC protocol.

     

    However the L&M has a control set that actually operates the on-screen buttons for One touch WB, once you've set up the personal menu to have it in the right place. Kind of wacky, but a good workaround for the camera. I can't wait to see the housing in the metal, since non of the rendered "shots" show the left hand side of the housing. I'm hoping that there is a window to help you operate these controls. That way it would be simple to add on a mirror to view the screen from the rear.

     

    Still, this can all wait for me to sort out my EOS 5D rig. I'm in no hurry.

     

    Martyn

  9. The Fisheye/Seatool HC3 Housing was the star of the Long Beach Scuba Show.

     

     

    Light & Motion's HC3 is in my opinion the most well designed system for the camera. I was really impressed with the way the controls on the camera were routed to easily accessible positions from the handle, and the implementation of the touch screen functions.

     

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    The touch screen lever does obscure the lcd, and it isn't fast to navigate to the one push wb screen, so leaving that menu up all the time would be my preference. Using a monitor or the optical viewfinder is necessary, though. The optical viewfinder on this camera is pretty poor, and won't be fun to use in any housing.

  10. I was able to get some Seatool HC3 products shots done today, and thought I'd post them here too.

     

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    The Seatool HC3 is a combination of electronic and mechanical control that fits the HC3 Camera like a glove. To keep size down and installation simple, no camera tray is utilized, and the camera drops in place. Rather than encase the large LCD screen, a mirror is utilized keeping the size of the housing and its buoyancy down.

     

    The housing's center section is made of aluminum to provides strength, and the front and rear sections are abs plastic keeping overall weight and negative buoyancy to a minimu. A tray and second handle can be added for more flexibility in mounting lights.

     

    Several accessories are available or planned. A few housings for the camera's remote monitor are available, making this an excellent remote or polecam tool. The remote is connected to the housing via an optical cable. A bracket for attaching Light & Motion's Mini Pro Lighting system is being built, as well as a 3.5" monitor.

     

    The housing's full features are available at the link provided by Samplin,

    http://www.fisheye-jp.com/english/st_hc3/st_hc3.html. From the grip Record, Mode, Zoom (variable speed), Still Photo, AF On/Off, and Flash On/Off are accessed.

     

    The DX Version, which is all we plan to import at the moment, features a flip filter, Inon Bayonet Lens Mount, and Access to the camera's manual adjustments.

     

    Here is the housing w/ an Inon UWL-100 28 AD attached. W/ this 100 deg wa lens attached, there is no vignetting in the underscan area!

     

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    The Fix Light HG-20dx should be a popular light for this small housing, keeping overall size and weight down.

     

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    The biggest feature of this housing is its small size and excellent construction.

     

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    The hanndle can be rotated paralell w/ the housing for easy packing, and macro video on the sea floor.

    Edited by Ryan
  11. HI Ryan

    Thats a cool little unit, one handed operation great for chasing Whale Sharks with.

    What kind of price are they going for?

     

    Wags

  12. I had a client diving with the Seatool HC3 yesterday.

     

    It certainly was well finished, and well suited to them as beginning JAPANESE ( small female hands ) video people.

    It is interesting to see the wetmount lens option being revisited... I wonder what the members thoughts are on that style of lenses ..... perhaps it's another thread.

    I have mixed views about the flip out mirror - just seems like a repair waiting to happen to me.

    I do wonder if the control buttons are little too tightly spaced for gloved western ( large ) hands. - certainly OK for small Japanese hands but it did feel a bit cumbersome to me ( big hands )

     

    All in all good effort from a new manufacturer.

  13. Seatool has been around for a while building high end broadcast stuff in Japan, so they are certainly not new to building housings. They are new to building entry level equipment, though.

     

    The US Retail Price is $2399 for the "fully loaded" dx version, and $1899 for a simple version designed to compete with the Amphibico unit.

     

    I am not a mirror guy either, I like monitors, but for someone looking ot save money it is a good compromose. The replacement mirror assembly is less than $100 should a dive boat monkey manage to destroy it.

     

    The button placement on the grip is tight, but the heights are varied making gloved use possible. The zoom on our display housing was a little touchy for cold water use (numb fingers don't do gentle well), but the programe is being adjusted for USA imported housings.

  14. Had a chance to get in the water with it yet Ryan?

     

    Sometimes there is a case that too small is just 'too' small, so I'd be interested to hear how the balance of the housing is underwater - it looks like it has the potential to be a housing of shaky footage! :lol:

     

    Cheers, Simon

  15. I have the OI housing with an HC1. I expect the HC3 to use the same touchscreen WB setup.

     

    Couple comments:

     

    One of my concerns, screen visibility, was no problem inside the housing for composition, etc. Color correction could be a little tougher to tell on the fly.

     

    Controls worked well, with the zoom (gasp, you use that?!) working well with a slow zoom speed.

     

    The WB control: I used the rearrange the menu trick for easier access. I found that the main problem was holding the camera and manipulating the control wands. You can easily do all the setup to prepare to WB with both hands but then you need the white card. To hold all and use the control wand was tough. I put a rubber band around the housing handle and control wand knob to hold the housing with one hand while holding the white card at arms length with the other.

     

    However, my experience was that it would not white balance in dimmer environments. Reviewing my video of videoing the white card found that the white card was still relatively close and that the camera immediately darkened the exposure to handle the bright subject. This meant it was much darker than the normal view you were looking at. I think this was the source of the inability to WB. The WB icon merely blinked. So it would be good to get the card farther away to WB on to allow the camera more light. This is still theory though.

     

    Another problem was using the wands at significant depth like 80 feet. It took real effort to pull them out to manuver them. The pressure was great. 40-60 was fine but starting higher than that took more effort.

     

    I had two thoughts on fixing the WB problem. First, having a button activated control to just perform the last step, clicking the WB icon, after using the wands to get to the control. Second would be buying the AU1(?) with push button WB. $700 was just too much more at the time, but would be worth a couple hundred.

     

    Otherwise, the OI housing was great.

     

    Tips: use red filter starting around 5 feet. It needed it and the camera nicely adjusted to it.

    - don't video through people

    - stay away from others bubbles

    - WATCH YOUR VIDEO ON DAY ONE TO ADJUST ON DAY TWO

  16. I didn't, our housing is off with DigitalDiver.net's video expert Papa to the Okeanos Aggressor in Cocos, I expect he'll have a full report when he gets back.

  17. I didn't, our housing is off with DigitalDiver.net's video expert Papa to the Okeanos Aggressor in Cocos, I expect he'll have a full report when he gets back.

     

     

    I'm all over it too... we're already making plans to dominate the world of shaky, oddly edited stream-of-conciousness HighDef documentaries on Cocos. Will report back in about 2 weeks time.

  18. Hi Craig!

     

    Saw some awesome jaw dropping demo video from Cocos recently. So how's the HC3 preformance?

  19. how's the HC3 preformance?

     

    If you saw HC3 footage from Cocos, it may well have included some of the stuff I shot...

     

    I was both highly impressed and a little perturbed, if that makes any sense.

     

    We have an HC3 at my clinic, we use it to document neurological exams etc etc, so I have a bit more experience with it now than I did while using it in Cocos.

     

    I certainly liked the compact form factor. It was more than feasible to one-hand hold the camera and housing while sitting in a current, as per this shot:

     

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    I was highly impressed, I think, mainly because I have had no significant prior experience with UW videography. It just amazes me how much "good" stuff a complete neophyte such as myself (or for that matter my wife, above, who has never even done UW still photography before) could shoot, and even that it works at all.

     

    I thought the housing was "pretty good", certainly it is admirably compact. The handle is too small for my relatively large hands to be comfortable, and the control buttons are a bit odd, in that the rec/stop button is not particularly well distinguished from the zoom controls on the handle, so operating the controls without looking at them often caused zoom errors. The HC3's zooming speed is very fast, unnervingly so.

     

    I was a little perturbed because I could see that there were things that I should have/could have done better, and I am rather picky about imaging quality. The footage (admittedly from deep, dark and low viz dives) has some gain artifacts and noise when viewed on a larger monitor, and I was not aware that zooming through accessory wide angle lenses is basically verboten, so I have quite a lot of raw footage that has severe smearing and vignetting at the edges because I had done exactly that. As a total newbie I suppose I just have to learn that sort of thing.

     

    While being a small camera is a benefit when it comes to travel, I feel that it is perhaps too small and light to allow adequate stabilization when hand holding. I enjoyed the experience enough that I do intend to start shooting video as well as stills, but I already feel like the HC3 may be too much of a compromise for what I would like to do. I felt much the same way after starting to shoot stills with an Olympus point and shoot... the first couple of dives were enough to convince me that this was something I wanted to do, but they were also enough to convince me that I needed to go to a dSLR to achieve the quality I aspired to.

     

     

     

    (on a side note, as Rand is demonstrating here... it is small enough in the SeaTool housing that conspicuous displays of consumerism become quite feasible

     

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    That would be an HDV camera on top of a D2x/Subal housing for the same.

    B) )

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