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Now that I'm back with 16gb of images

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Now that I'm back with 16gb of images

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  1. In the past, I shot an Ikelite housed D100 and an Ikelite housed Nikon Coolpix 5000. I shot .jpeg and the files were 1 to 3 mb in size.

    After listening to this group and returning from the Caribbean Explorer II where I shot all RAW with the Ikelite housed D200, I am faced with several hundred 14- 16 Mb files. I shot some STELLAR images and can't wait to get them out to friends on a disc!

    My PC is pretty up to date (3.2 P4) with lots of RAM (1.75Gib) and lots of hard drive storage (.75 terrabytes).

    My workload to cull and process these images has slowed to a dreading standstill. It takes about 20+ seconds just to open an image and then I have to decide on Nikon Capture 4.4 question of White Balance and exposure...THEN I have to wait another 10 seconds for the image to open as a .psd in PHotoshop.

     

    My question: Is there an easier and faster way? Should I got back to .jpgs?

     

    Not sure if this thread should be in this section, but this seems to be where all the answers come from.

    Thanks!

  2. Hi GrtDay,

     

    I highly recommend you look at a raw converter that can do background processing while you work. NC may do this, I don't know.

     

    The idea is that you set WB and exosure on an image, then drop it into a processing queue, then start working on the next image. This cuts down on the waiting a lot and I can do a whole dive's photos in about 10 mins.

     

    Some programs to look at are Photoshop CS and Phase One Capture One

     

    Cheers

    James

  3. Great idea! I have Photoshop CS2 and will do just that. Thanks!

    Any other ideas out there?

  4. Hi,

     

    Take a look at RawShooter, it's really fast, nearly real time, and there is a free version.

  5. Hi, I agree with James. The CS2 converter works pretty well IMO. One thing I do before using camera raw is sort the images first using bridge. Images that need a little more attention to exposure, WB ect... go into a seperate folder to be worked on at a later date.

     

    I feel the most beneficial thing you can do though, is to shoot the image correctly from the start, meaning primarily WB and exposure. It saves alot of time in your workflow in the end.

     

    I can definately relate to the speed issue though. I've been recently looking at the Mac G5 Quad to maybe take care care of that little issue for me.

  6. All the suggestions are good and I agree.

     

    1. Sort the images and work on the best first.

    2. Rawshooter is quick for rating them.

     

    I'm using iView and like it best, and then I edit one by one. Batch editing doesn't work but for photos taken under the same lighting conditions, in my understanding, but could be wrong.

     

    SD

  7. My first step is look at the JPEG's and make a first pass sort of the "keepers" and only deal with those raw files. That usually cuts more than 90% of the shots.

  8. I can definately relate to the speed issue though. I've been recently looking at the Mac G5 Quad to maybe take care care of that little issue for me.

     

    If you're considering using Aperture with the Quad G5 (which I recommend) make sure you have the Nvidia 7800 card. The 6600 is not supported by Aperture.

  9. Hi jcfig,

     

    I'm not sure I would use Aperture. I used it on my Powerbook G4 w/ 23" cinema display and wasn't impressed. I've been using PS for as long as I can remember, guess I'm a creature of habit. I recently upgraded to CS2 and have been really digging that along with camera raw and bridge. It's been alot more pruductive, but has not been a whole new learning curve as is with Aperture. I would rather spend my time taking pictures than trying to learn to work with a new software.

     

    As for the Quad G5, I'm sure it would really speed up the workflow and can picture it sitting under my desk as we speak. I just haven't been able to convince myself to drop the cash yet.

  10. Oh Aperture is in no way a replacement for Photoshop. I like to use it as a selection tool and to handle my metadata. I have not use bridge so I can't honestly compare the two. My advantage is that I'm pretty much starting new so I have a learning curve anyway. So far Aperture runs great on my MBP and I can make ratings a selection decisions with it on the fly - even do basic adjustments on multiple images. Then I can tag images for further editing with an application such a PS.

     

    The Quad is great, I have one at work I use transcoding and FinalCut, but you might want to wait a few months . . . :D

  11. Welcome to the digital photography realm!

     

    Michel

  12. I second the suggestion to look at a different RAW processor. I personally use Bibble, but the other ones suggested in this thread are pretty good too.

     

    I normally use the procesor's browser to quickly work out which are keepers. This cuts down on the number of files to process.

     

    Then I put keepers in the work queue and tweak them if required, finally, I convert the files in the queue to 16-bit TIFF files.

     

    Once I'm done, I move on to Photoshop, where I do some adjustments that cannot be done within the RAW converter (e.g. dodging and burning). This process is typically limited to a very small number of images, as most of the work is already completed within the RAW converter.

     

    Using this workflow, I've comfortably processed the 1,500 images from my last trip in 2 evenings.

  13. Rawshooter rocks. I just went through 100 images in 30 minutes. Thanks guys! Makes sense!

    Keep on shooting and dive cheerfully!

    Ron

  14. I've been using Camera RAW with Photoshop CS2 and Bridge. I find it works a treat.

     

    One thing I just started doing is using the star (*) rating system in Bridge. I then only do any meaningful RAW conversions on the rated images which you can filter using the 1-5 star ratings.

     

    I also read a book on decent book on Camera RAW itself, which helped out a bit. I knew the basics, but the book highlighted some lower level tips and techniques. It is gets a bit technical in areas, but on a whole a good read given the focus that is now on RAW image conversion.

     

    Fraser, Bruce, "Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS2 Industrial-Strength Production Techniques",

    Peachpit Press, May 23, 2005, ISBN: 0-321-33409-4

  15. Thanks for the book tip - have just ordered it.

     

    Paul C

  16. Just 1 more item...I use Photoshop but I was just at Stephen Frink's InTenCity talk in Denver and he was recommending Photo Mechanic (cross platform) as what he uses for high speed browsing and workflow (+photoshop). I have not tried it but was going to check it out.

     

    http://www.camerabits.com/pages/PM4.html

     

    -- Justin

  17. I use Iview Media Pro to browse the raw files and get rid of what i don't want, no need to shoot RAW/jpg.... and then just a click away for batch rename and save to location etc.... works a charm!

  18. I sent my same workflow question to the "Guru" on the Yahoo Coolpix board. Larry Bolch is a genius with this stuff. His concise and explanatory reply is below. Now, I think I have a handle on this giant task. Thanks to all!

     

    "Absolutely appropriate! Nothing could be more on-topic.

     

    I avoid any Nikon software like the plague. Instead, I use Adobe Camera RAW

    (ACR) which is closely integrated with Photoshop. If you have version CS2,

    you also have Adobe Bridge, which lets you quickly preview and choose those

    you want to work on. A very configureable and quick browser that works

    perfectly with RAW. ACDSee is on my other machines and also works well for

    viewing and managing.

     

    I have a similar machine to yours, with a full terabyte of drive, with three

    of the drives in a RAID Level 0 array. RAW images open almost instantly in

    ACR. On the machine upon which I am writing, which is much older, they take

    two to three seconds to open in Photoshop CS coming off a conventional

    single drive. Once processed in ACR it takes about four seconds on this old

    machine to be open in Photoshop. This would be more like one to two seconds

    on the fast machine.

     

    If you are running Windows XP, Microsoft has issued a tumbnailer and viewer

    that works with most every file manager, for previews.

    https://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/d...ophoto/raw.mspx

     

    RAW is particularly appropriate in any situation where light is in any way

    unusual - like underwater. RAW is not an image file, but rather a container

    for transporting data off the sensor to a program that takes the place of

    in-camera processing. When it emerges from ACR, for example, it is in the

    same state as if a TIFF or JPEG were opened from the card. ACR takes the

    place of the camera's processor. Of course, this gives incredibly fine

    control over every aspect of the exposure - which the camera does not.

     

    RAW is also 12-bits per channel, giving at least 3EV extra dynamic range.

    ACR lets you click on a neutral tone with the eyedropper and the image is

    instantly white-balanced. However, there are also colour temperature and

    tint controls to fine tune it to what your eye demands, along with sliders

    to set shadows, highlights and mid-tones, saturation, etc. There is noise

    reduction and chromatic abberation controls as well. CS2's version provides

    fine rotation, cropping and scaling. The RAW file itself never changes. ACR

    saves the changes you make in either a database or in xml files, so next

    time you open it, you will get it in the state in which you left it.

    However, you can always go back and start from scratch again, as your skills

    improve. It is often referred to as your "Digital Negative" and in some

    aspects, it is not a bad description.

     

    I expose my RAW images so as to preserve the level of highlight detail I

    want, then use layers and layer masks to bring up the shadow detail, just as

    if I were combining a bracket. I set the exposure in ACR so the background

    image is based upon the highlight detail. Upon this image I build. I reopen

    the RAW exposure, each time at +0.5EV more than the previous one, layer it

    on the background image, click on the brightest highlight, feather the

    selection and invert it. A click on the layer mask icon in the layers

    palette automatically creates the mask, that shows the highlight detail from

    the background image, without impacting on the mid-tones and shadow detail

    of the lighter foreground layer. I use a tolerance of 32, which I find to be

    ideal for the task.

     

    Then it is a matter of merging the new layer with the background and

    repeating the process until I have the shadow detail I want. This served me

    very well on a trip to Las Vegas last fall. Most of the shooting was in

    extreme lighting conditions and horrendous dynamic ranges. In some of the

    shots, I did separate colour balances in various parts of the image, to

    match lighting types, again using layers and layer masks to blend the

    balances seamlessly.

    http://www.larry-bolch.com/las-vegas/

    Further examples of the power of RAW and ACR

    http://www.larry-bolch.com/CP8400/

     

    More on the technique of using layers to cope with extreme dynamic ranges at

    http://www.larry-bolch.com/layers.htm

     

    If the light is pretty much ideal, then by all means use JPEG. You will get

    very good quality and much smaller files. For the ultimate control of every

    aspect of the exposure prior to opening in Photoshop, use RAW.

     

    larry!

    ICQ 76620504

    http://www.larry-bolch.com/" :D

  19. I use Bibble Pro also.

     

    Out of all the others I have tried, the workflow in Bibble seems to be the best and it does allow you to perform all the RAW processing you would want. You can go down your pictures, adjust them one at a time and see the results in real-time. After you are finished adjusting them (which bibble remembers from one session to another) you can send them to a batch queue for processing and saving out to a file format of your choice.

     

    You can even select several pictures and apply the same changes to all of them at once.

     

    Give it a shot, I'm sure you won't be disaapointed.

    Edited by dtc
  20. I usually start in Adobe Bridge (comes with Photoshop CS2), batch renaming all of my files to something sensible. Then I go through in filmstrip view, marking anything decent with a 2-star rating (command-2). This also allows me to pick the best of a sequence of shots of the same subject. I then sort by rating so I have all of my possibles in a row. I then go through the 2-stars and upgrade some of them to three or four stars. I then work through the best shots first, double-clicking to open in Photoshop's RAW converter. If you're still in CS1, you can flag files then just view the flagged files.

     

    Downside of this system is that when I re-label a file, I lose my place because it re-sorts automatically. Is there a way to toggle Bridge to only display 2-stars-or-better shots? I actually preferred CS1 in this respect: you could just flag good shots and then hide the rest, which usually pared the 100 or so shots from the day to a reasonable 5-20.

     

    I'm hoping that Lightbox will integrate well with Photoshop, since that program seems MUCH faster. Bridge is very slow right now.

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