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  1. PERFECT WHITE BALANCE

     

    INTRODUCTION

     

    I can't recall how many times I have been told about the “one†manual white balance [WB] method that really works. When I then apply that method, I discover that like many of it's predecessors, it has limited application and varying results. When you think about it, given that one is shooting underwater, is there such a thing as “perfect†WB? On many occasions, I have reviewed a piece of footage with several capable shooters at same time, and frequently there is little agreement as to whether the WB was good or not. Some folks like it more colorful while others like it more true to what you see underwater. Depending on the subject and environment, both perspectives have merit.

     

    On land, manual WB is wonderful for capturing footage with as accurate colors possible. Technically, WB is "a function which gives the camera a reference to "true white" — it tells the camera what the color white looks like, so the camera will record it correctly. Since white light is the sum of all other colors, the camera will then display all colors correctly". In addition, by “tricking†the camera's manual white balance, the shooter can either "cool" or "warm" the scene to achieve the desired effect. For land shooting, this process is pretty straight forward once you spend some time working with it.

     

    Underwater, because various colors fall off at differing rates, the concept of WB gets much more complex. We move from a world saturated with white light (complete color spectrum) to one growing ever more blue as one descends. More specifically [excerpt from vividlight.com] "The colors within the light spectrum dissipate as the light travels through water. The first color to fade and disappear is red. At a depth of eight feet, red light starts to fade and it is filtered out of the visible light spectrum by 15 feet. The next diminishing color is orange at 15 feet; by 50 feet, it has disappeared. Next to fade are yellow, green blue, indigo and violet." Because of this fact, auto WB becomes less and less useful the deeper one goes because the camera does not have enough color spectrum information to properly adjust WB. Even on land, auto WB tends to do an OK job but certainly not professional. Moreover, even just several feet below the water, a good manual WB can markedly improve the image quality.

     

    The fall off of colors in the light spectrum as one descends creates big issues for getting that "perfect" WB. Unfortunately, the problem is far more complex than this. Many other factors come into play which impact the WB. I have spent a good deal of time experimenting in this area, and have come up with several categories of variables that impact WB. Effectively managing these variables while shooting underwater will dramatically impact the results of one’s manual WB. I am aware that there are dozens of ways to slice and dice this, however this framework works for me.

     

    ENVIRONMENT:

     

    -Depth – How deep are you shooting? The Deeper you go, more colors fall off the visible spectrum.

     

    -Ambient Light – How much available natural light (read sunlight) is there?.

     

    -Angle of light – Is the sun overhead or on the horizon?

     

    -Visibility – What is the concentration, color and size of particulates in the water?

     

    -Distance – How far are you from your subject?

     

    -Angle of shot – Are you shooting up, down or level?

     

    -Shot relative to the natural light source (sun) – Are you shooting into the sunlight, across it, with it at your back?

     

    -Color of environment – What is the pervading color of the corals, rocks or sand where you are shooting?

     

    -Color of water – What is the underlying color of the water? (Combination of the above, plus algae, plankton, etc)

     

    EQUIPMENT:

     

    -Manual WB Control – Does your housing provide access to WB controls?

     

    -Lux rating – How deep can you engage manual WB on your camcorder?

     

    -Color Correction (CC) Filter – Does your housing accept CC filters? Can you remove underwater? What kind is it (green water, blue water)? Is it acrylic or glass?

     

    -Lights – Do you have ext lights? What type are they (halogen, HID, LED, etc)?

     

    -WB Slate – Do you have a “white†slate? What type do you have (warm, cool)?

     

    -Camcorder Settings – Do you adjust cam settings such as Color Offset, WB Offset?

     

    -Other – Do you use an expo disc or other WB device?

     

    TECHNIQUE:

     

    -WB Surface – Do you use slate, sun on water surface, sand, sponge, hand, fin, etc?

     

    -WB Depth – At what depth do you WB in relation to depth you are shooting at?

     

    -WB Angle – How do you adjust the angle of natural light relative to you WB surface?

     

    -WB Distance – How far are you from you WB surface?

     

    -CC Filter – At what depth and under what conditions do you use your CC filter?

     

    -Hybrid – Do you ever WB with both lights on and CC filter engaged?

     

    The above list may seem a bit overwhelming. I have found however that any one of the above variables on any given day, can have a huge impact on the quality of my WB. On the other hand, the more I understand these variables, the better I get at achieving more consistent and better quality WB. That being said, I have a long way to go!

     

    First things first, what am I shooting with?

     

    Equipment:

     

    -Sony FX1

     

    -Light & Motion Bluefin HD Housing

     

    -Light & Motion HID Pro Lights

     

    -Lenses: Flat port, 80 degree and UWA

     

     

    -Manual WB Control – Yes, one touch manual WB

     

    -Lux rating – 3 (I can typically WB down to 25 meters, +/- depending on ambient light)

     

    -CC Filter – Yes, UR PRO Blue Water flip filter (acrylic)

     

    -Lights – Yes (HID)

     

    -WB Slate – Yes, cool bluish slate and plain white slate

     

    -Camcorder settings – No, do not mess with color/wb offset as impact seems marginal compared to manual Wb

     

    -Other – Yes, Expo disc but still to experiment with

     

    Considering the above factors, here are some of my personal findings regarding WB using my equipment in varying conditions.

     

    IDEAL CONDITIONS:

    (depth of 10 meters or less, sunny day, late morning/early afternoon, excellent visibility of 30 meters or more, 3 meters or closer to subject, relatively level with subject or slightly below, sun over your shoulder, environment either neutral colored or no dominating color, and clear blue water)

     

    Generally speaking, the better the conditions, the easier it is to achieve decent and consistent WB using some basic techniques. In ideal conditions, engaging the CC filter and balancing of a white slate held at arms length often proves to be sufficient. Warming the image is accomplished by angling the slate away from the sun (less light on it) and holding it further out. Cooling the image is achieved by the converse, angling the slate to collect more light and bringing it closer to the lens. I achieve further refinement in colorful environments by holding the slate close to the dominant color (say bright coral head) and balancing.

     

    Alternatively, in shallow bright water, I often balance off the sun on the waters surface. I simply point my cam at the sun ball on the surface and WB. To cool the shot, I zoom in on the sun. To warm it, I zoom out. If the image is still to warm (red) I ascend a bit, WB, then descend to shoot. This technique proves handy at times when the slate is causing the WB to be too red. To be honest, I use this technique more than any other.

     

    If neither slate nor surface are deliver the WB I need, I then use environmental surfaces. If my picture is still too red, I balance of a pink sponge, my hand or similar. If I need to spice up my colors or shift them, I balance off a sandy bottom. A variation of this technique that I have found to work is to hold my slate very close to the area I am filming, say a coral garden (being careful not to touch the coral of course) and angle it to catch as much light as possible. This tends to reduce the dominance of a particular color from the reef in your shot.

     

    When shooting utilizing ambient light, in most circumstance I keep my CC filter on. I find the CC filter delivers superior contrast, better blues and a more pleasing image. Even in very shallow depths, proper WB technique tends to deliver (IMO) better WB with CC filter filter than without.

     

    DEEPER AND LOW VIS CONDITIONS:

    (depth of 20 meters or more, cloudy day, early morning/late afternoon, ok visibility of 15 meters or less, 3 meters or further to subject, relatively level with subject or slightly below, environment dominated by reddish or greenish color, and aqua/greenish water)

     

    Good examples of the above conditions include locations like Galapagos, Cocos, and Socorro where much of the sea life if found deeper and lighting and vis are relatively poor. Shooting in deeper and low vis conditions presents some real challenges to achieving ‘good’ WB. For one thing, most red light and much of the green light have disappeared from the color spectrum. In addition, the underwater topography is often covered with hard coral, barnacles or algae of a red/pink hue which enables them to absorb as much of this light as possible. To further complicate matters, plankton of a similar hue abounds in the water.

     

    When one tries to WB using standard techniques is such conditions, the results are often unacceptable. In order to approximate “true†white, the camera cranks the red color contribution beyond the normalized range. The result is an image that is very unnatural in appearance. The sea floor turns glowing red, the water turns purple, and pelagic fish turn pinkish. In addition, the colored plankton in the water are accentuated, turning ok vis into poor and cloudy vis.

     

    In my experience, use of the CC filter engaged consistently delivers a ‘better’ image in such conditions than with it removed it. The primary reason is that the CC filter tends to increase image contrast and provide a greater range of colors in the scene. By limiting the amount of blue light reaching my sensor, the relative red contribution is increased and subjects that have red in them appear with more color and of greater contrast. There is often debate on this topic and there are instances in deeper diving where I choose not to use the CC filter. This is determined by how much I am favoring foreground vs. background. However, under in most situations, I tend to favor the use of the CC filter. The CC filter does reduce the amount of light getting to your sensor, this is a fact. For cameras with poor Lux ratings, the issue can prove significant. However, when you are at a depth where Lux rating becomes an issue, frequently you are unable to WB anyways.

     

    For example, the A1 frequently cannot WB below 10 meters (disclaimer: this is based on observations of several shooters I know and is not always the case). As such, this section does not really apply to this user. My FX1 frequently WB’s at 25 meters, so I have these issues to address. Continuing, I find that the CC filter enables to me to WB deeper than when I WB without it. The reason for this is that without a CC filter at depth, the camera is unable to lock on what it considers an acceptable WB value because of the virtual absence of red light contribution that is necessary to make ‘white’.

     

    Experimentation is critical to this next point. Because of the above considerations, even if I “can†WB down at 25 meters or deeper, I typically do not. My reasoning is simple, I do not want bright red sea floor, purple water and pink sharksJ I am looking to generate an image where the water is blue with subjects that are sharp, ‘appropriately’ colorful and well contrasted. To achieve this, I WB at a shallower depth (during my descent) than the depth I am shooting. The environmental conditions play a key role in exactly what depth I choose to WB at. Generally speaking, I WB more shallow when there is less ambient light, worse vis, more red/magenta in the environment (coral, algae, plankton), and greener the water. I tend to WB less shallow when the above conditions are reversed. For example, if I am shooting at 25-30 meters using ambient light, I will WB between 10 to 20 meters based on my assessment of the environmental conditions. Better conditions and I WB closer to 2/3rd s my shooting depth. Worse conditions and I WB closer to 1/3rd my shooting depth. To fine tune my WB (warm/cool) I use techniques described in the Ideal Conditions section above (slate, surface, zoom, angle, distance).

     

    SUPPLIMENTAL LIGHTING CONDITIONS

     

    MACRO AND NIGHT DIVING

    Even the most powerful of supplemental lights have a very limited reach in day time diving. Whether you use HID, LED, halogen or whatever, this reach is limited to feet and meters. My HID lights generally prove ineffective for subjects greater than 3 meters from my lens. Beyond that, subjects are grey and shades of blue. As such, for wide angle and panoramic shooting, proper WB utilizing available ambient light will tend to produce images that are more balanced and with far greater range with color than lights. Simply put, a CC filter in conjunction with a good WB can reach as far as the camera can see. Your lights can only reach a few meters at best. If you goal is narrow foreground with color and little or no color (other than blue) in the background than just lights is a good choice.

     

    I tend to use lights in two primary situations, macro and night diving. In both situations, I do not us CC filter. I simply adjust my lights to hit my slate in front of my lens and WB. If you are shooting macro, be sure to have you slate very close to your lens and/or zoom on the slate. This increases the amount of red light the camera sees and ‘detunes’ the WB adjustment. The result with be that your nice tight macro shot will not have overblown reds and greens. I have found both auto and daylight WB settings do not produce as consistent and quality results. Again, this is another area of opinion and preference.

     

    HYBRID SITUATIONS

    In certain conditions, I find that there is very little color information to distinguish my subject from the background environment. A good example of this is shooting marble rays in Cocos. The water was blue-green with decent vis. The topography was of black volcanic rock with barnacles. Unfortunately, the marble rays were perfectly adapted to these conditions, with skin patterns and colors the same as their surroundings (good for rays, bad for shooterJ). When shooting the marble rays without lights, the resulting image was a black disc floating over black rock in blue water. I knew the rays had beautifully white undersides with gills and mouth and white freckles on their top side. When shooting with lights and no CC filter, the ray looked spectacular, but it’s background was low contrast and the water had a greenish tint. So, how to make the ray pop with lights and still preserve the background contrast, and blue water?

     

    My answer is to employ a hybrid technique utilizing both CC filter and lights. The goal is to increase the reds on the subject by hitting it with your lights, but not turn it into a red orb in a blue sea. To accomplish this, I WB with CC filter on at 1/3rd to ½ my shooting depths. I use one of the techniques listed above to ‘cool’ the image. Descending down to the subject, I try to hit the subject with edges of my lights (the overlapping zone) vs. direct lighting. I move back from the subject to reduce the red contribution of my lights. Every foot back makes a big difference because of rapid fall off of my lights. The resulting image from this technique is a well contrasted subject with colorful highlights silhouetted on a background with good contrast and blue water. In post, I then can drop the red gain/levels to get that white underside just right. The rest of my image does not required color manipulation.

     

    Note, I find this technique is difficult to ‘master’ and more often than not yields a less than ideal result. If the subject is close to surfaces with lots of red/magenta (coral, algae, barnacles) the result will be blown-out disco red backgrounds! This technique is also less effective for colorful subjects and colorful environments. In addition, if there is lots of plankton in the water, you will get some very purple/magenta water. The technique is best utilized in low contrast, low color environments where there is little to distinguish your subject. The lights offer that additional “pop†to your subject without turning your image into a psychedelic dreamscape.

     

    CONCLUSION

    The title of this article is ‘Perfect White Balanceâ€. I personally do not believe that such a thing exists in underwater shooting (see intro paragraphs). I believe a more appropriate title is ‘Pleasing White Balance’. WB techniques that result in footage that most of your viewers deem as desirable and pleasing to view, is what one should target. In my experience, blue water (considering appropriate hue variations depending on location and conditions) is essential for quality footage. Furthermore, well contrasted subjects in bright and colorful backgrounds (when appropriate such as reef situations) are highly desirable. The goal is to preserve the ‘natural’ look and feel of the environment while offering an enhanced view which highlights the colors and beauty of the subject you are filming. Pleasing WB should be subtle yet effective. Try to avoid boosting your subject colors to the detriment of look and feel of the environment. A colorful subject in purple water is not natural or pleasing. Again, subtlety is your friend.

     

    My recommendation is to experiment with a variety of techniques and find the ones that work for you. I do not believe in “one†magical technique that works in all conditions. I believe you need a tool box, which includes both technique and equipment, which you rely on to achieve pleasing WB results in all kinds of conditions. In this discussion, I presented the elements of my WB toolbox and my current thinking on when and how to use these tools most effectively. I believe I am only beginning to grasp this concept and have long way to go to ‘perfect’ it. My goal is NOT to state that my way the “right†way. I firmly believe there are a variety of methods to achieve pleasing WB.

     

    I am very interested to learn more about how other folks are dealing with UW WB. :D

     

    -Shawn Heinrichs

  2. Whaw Shawn, what a intresting "short" text!

     

    I have read it with allot of intrest, but writing English is not so easy for me to make a answer from the same lenght.

     

    I am filming with almost the same set like you, i only am using the Elite lights from LMI i do not like the HID, i have also installed the expodisc with succes and tested it in Galapagos last month and i liked it.

     

    i do not use my lights enymore only for macro shots, and then i never do a manuel WB,

     

    i also do my WB a little les deeper then i am shooting, and every dive i am also always looking to the best possible WB, and it is always diffrent, it is true there is not a perfect answer

     

    I do allot of shooting in Egypt (i live in Europe) and that is the best place to have a perfect setting for my WB, i think this is because you have allot of viz, and there are allot of colours under water.

    In galapagos whit no colours it is allot more difficult.

     

    somtimes it looks like everthing is perfect and then you are filming a pelagic, and you follow it when it comes over you and when you see the sun everting is to red, a perfect shot ***** up. (Edit: Sorry Bruno..not allowed to use those words)

     

    But hey if this is to easy you can not see the difrent between a good and a bad underwater shooter not?

     

    Bruno

    Edited by wagsy
  3. Shawn well done on all that.

    Do you like typing or are you on holidays sitting under a coconut tree with your laptop :D

     

    Getting a good WB is important but I always feel if it's not spot on then you can fix it up later on the puter.

    Also it all depends on what NLE you are using. I was usings Premiere Pro and Aspect HD but have found EDIUS does a better job.

    Here is some pics with some slight CC done.

     

    As Shot

    colour.jpg

    WIth abit of CC

    colour1.jpg

     

    You can also just hit just certain areas of the clip. I cut the red back abit but blued up the water.

    colour2.jpg

  4. So I can keep both hands free I zoom in on the white tape on my fins and white balance on that. Plus the extra 3 feet from camera to tape knocks the red back a tiny bit versus balancing on a slate or glove. I also now have one of them coloured a bit pink to knock the red back more (but it's usually less pink than in this pic of a freshly-scribbled fin).

     

    fins.jpg

     

    In Thailand/Burma waters I leave the CC filter on all the time when shooting with ambient light underwater. I should take it off when I'm 40m or deeper because all it does at that depth is crank the gain up and make the picture grainy, but I'm usually too narked to remember.

     

    At night with my blue-filtered halogens I shoot in auto white balance mode or I balance on the white fin. The result is usually very similar.

     

    My technique gets the white balance pretty good and not much correction is required in post, but I have an expodisc on order to use with my Z1/Bluefin and I'm very interested to see how that technique works. I will post some side-by-side pics of WB results from the same spot with different techniques when I've got it all together.

     

    "Perfect white balance" can often make an interesting debate. One viewer will love the rich colours of my footage and say that one of the jobs of the camera is to show us what we can't see underwater, while another will say that the rich colours give a false impression and Blue Planet never looked all colourful like that.

  5. Nick,

    I love the fins! I have seen some versions of this but the red matrix is a new one:)

    Wags,

    I agree you can touch up in post. However, with HDV, the more aggressive the edit, the greater the image degredation. I also find that in nice reef conditions, CC in post is much easier then in poorer vis and more monocrome environments.

    Shawn

  6. Come on Shawn, don't you know that Nick only does that so he can remember what foot is what so he puts them on the right way....

     

    Shawn do you edit the raw m2t or convert it to another codec.

    The raw m2t does not seem to handle CC as well as the AVI etc codecs can.

  7. That is a great idea...i can't figure out which foot to put my fins on either:)

     

    Wags,

    I gave up completely on CC m2t...it is a waste of time if you plan to move color more than a few points. 4:2:0 and the fact that m2t is NOT frame based causes real problems for CC and interframe interpolation. I edit using Apple Intermediary Codec and the results are far better. That being said, I have found there is no substitute for getting it right the first time...especially if you are doing multiple generation of encoding for various purposes.

    Shawn

  8. Yeh that's what I thought with m2t.

     

    Hey with the Apple Intermediary Codec, what kind of space does it take up per hour and does it convert to it on the fly as it comes in?

     

    The Canopus HQ codec takes up about 28 GIGS per hour.

  9. :D Wagsy's about to change to a Mac next...

     

    The CC problems with .m2t are mainly if you want to keyframe it (change it over time), right?

  10. It is bigger in my experience. Depending on the amount of colors (bright coral vs blue, the file size can vary dramatically)). A rule of thumb is about 100mb per 10 seconds. I think :D that equals about 36GIGs per hour...plus or minus. For blue water shots it is close to the 28gig per hour.

  11. Change to a MAC :D I don't think so. Way over the top $$ wise.

     

    Once I get the Core2Quad CPU I'm going to be leaving you MAC guys for dead, like 8+ tracks of 1440/1080i in real time...no rendering, CC, 3D pips with all kinds of things flying around the place:D

     

    Rendering out a m2t file should even be in real time or faster.

     

    And DV, should be up around 15+ tracks. Render out a 1 min DV or DVD file should be mere seconds.

     

    The codec this end can set higher as well.

    Edited by wagsy
  12. 15 tracks??? PIPs??? Things flying around the place???

     

    Less is more Wags, less is more

  13. Can't we just all get along;) I for one am not a "mac" guy. I used both mac and pc daily. I have found PC's tend to emphasize horse power, whereas Mac focus's on workflow and efficiency. In the past, i lost far more time to workflow issues than to horsepower. That is the reason i switched to the Final Cut suite. My workflow from capture to edit to motion graphics it encode to dvd is completely seemless. I don't need dozens of plug-ins and 3rd party solutions to create a professional production. Sure on the PC you can squeeze extra performance and quality if you try hard enough. To date, i have absolutely no regrets...and none of it relates to power:)

     

    Hey BTW, this thread was meant to be about manual WB techniques (not mac vs pc):D Wags, can you tell us about your methods?

  14. My WB methods.

    Well the same as you guys but with the colourful high res LCD's I will WB on anything to get the colour I am after. Fish, Kelly what ever, as just because you have a white or blue tinted slate to WB on, does not mean that's the colour you are after.

     

    But you know, Mark metioned it awhile back, some guys just shoot as is and leave it for the guys to do it in post. I had a guy shooting underwater for the BBC for a week once and he never WB on anything. Just turned the F900 on and started shooting. And he was not the only one I have seen do it. One guy even had his F900 on auto focus :D

     

    These guys did not get ther jobs through talent, it's just networking, and getting know.

     

    Another guy called ****** I had for a week from here in AUS did not even know about URPRO filters and wondered how I was getting so much colour? :D Yet here he was with contracts from TV stations to shoot underwater adventures....as he was good at over dramatising everything...

     

    It's just us guys with the true talent and funny fins that care about good WB.

     

    (EDITED by wags...it was late and I had to many Bourbons..)

    Edited by wagsy
  15. Now now Wags, no need to slag on fellow shooters. :D You'll find almost all shooters for docos don't WB for the fact that color correction (painting really) is much easier on a neutral clip rather than a white balanced kaleidoscoped color changing clip because the subject moved deeper, shallower etc, as Bruno mentioned. It also frees the cameraman to work on getting the shot.

    WB is not for every scene. In wide angle shots where the subject is too far away to get color anyways or if shooting a very dynamic subject (eg a baitball) with various depth and light changes, WB is useless. It's great if you have subjects that either maintain a relatively constant depth (like reef shots) or are shallow enough to shoot without compromising on gain noise using a filter.

    Thanks for the write up shawn.

  16. Perfect white balance??

    Until now I have been using most of the techniques mentioned here with varying amounts of success. I guess it all depends on obviously the conditions you find yourself in. For the daily work I just use the trusted white slate with ambient light and the CC filter in place. With the Z1 though I find anything under 18m the cam tries and mainly fails to get a good WB fix. I'm looking to retrofit an Expodisc but have also seen that there could be issues when using that with glass CC filter as opposed to the PVC or Acrylic ones. That I will have to see and adjust as and when the discs get here.

     

    I have a WB slate on an articulated arm for use with the Gates so it leaves both hands free for the operation of the controls. I am also planning to get a set of Nuytco HMI lightheads which are due for release sometime after DEMA. With Daylight temps of 5600 kelvin I would imagine I will be getting better results once they are in place. I am not unhappy with my results thus far but we always strive for perfection.

     

    I guess it all comes down to what the directors / producers / commissioning entities wish for if we are on a shoot. I have worked with people who dislike CC filters with a passion and prefer to just get the WB ambient without the filter and take care of everything in post. One the other end of the scale I have worked with people who's every second question was: "Did you remember to use the CC filter when setting WB"? I think the ambient WB proceedure minus the CC filter is also the preferred method used by the Beeb. Listen to the narrative in Blue Planet's "Making Waves". Peter Scoones mentions something like "well we got the White so at least we can correct from that" when on the night shoot for the coral spawning shoots.

     

    With the quality given by so many of the newer cameras now I am also quite impressed with the color rendition of my Z1 when no filter is in place. Seeing as I now have to manually flip the filter up and down as required there have been times that I have left it off unknowingly but once looking at the footage I was quite impressed. Especially at around the 8 to 10m depth zones. OK the hues are not strikingly different or vivid but it looks very nice. I can only then imagine what a professional colorist could do with that given time and the budget.

     

    Another factor to remember is that anyone who goes underwater and who doesn't have one of those funky SeaVision masks will see the environment pretty much as a non filtered cam would see it (unless they are diving with flashlights etc). For them seeing unfiltered images at the end of a dive would not result, or in my experience, doesn't result in any negative feedback with regards to the colour rendition of the imagery. Most people on the Palnet have also never been underwater so anything they see on the TV, big screen or whatever, will also then become their impression of life underwater. With the so many varied ways and solutions to get WB underwater, mixed with any post production color correcting of imagery do we even see the real, true dynamic range of colours underwater? Are we all then, at the end of the day, just chasing a perceived idea of what true colors should be underwater?? As long as it looks nice though I guess most will be happy with the results.

     

    My 2c worth.

    Mark.

    Edited by CamDiver
  17. Mark,

    Great feedback and i agree with the subjective nature. For me, when i plug into a tv aftet shooting and the shot looks just right, with no post correction, it just feels great. Perhaps, i am a purist at the cam level and feel that post is more about painting than shooting well...who knows.

    shawn

  18. Now now Wags, no need to slag on fellow shooters. :D You'll find almost all shooters for docos don't WB for the fact that color correction (painting really) is much easier on a neutral clip rather than a white balanced kaleidoscoped color changing clip because the subject moved deeper, shallower etc, as Bruno mentioned. It also frees the cameraman to work on getting the shot.

    WB is not for every scene. In wide angle shots where the subject is too far away to get color anyways or if shooting a very dynamic subject (eg a baitball) with various depth and light changes, WB is useless. It's great if you have subjects that either maintain a relatively constant depth (like reef shots) or are shallow enough to shoot without compromising on gain noise using a filter.

     

    Hey Drew,

     

    I have to admit that your points here are very interesting to me. Are you saying that auto WB is better for scene "coherency" in complex situations. That by not manual WB you get more consistant coloration from frame to frame and that allows you to adjust a clip as a whole better? In the still world we worry mostly about getting the best color by manual WB or depending on RAW for post. What I hear you saying is that on this video you would fix it in post not for image quality reasons (RAW has more info) but specifically for scene conherency and consistancy.

     

    Interesting...

  19. Hey Taxiforjogging,

    It's simple. When you WB, you shift the green/magenta and kelvins. So you set the "white" for the scene for what's in front of the camera. Fine if your subject stays put or moves within the range of WB set. But say the mimic octopus is somehow "miraculously" moved to swim above and over you into the sunlight. Then your whites suddenly will be red as the colors shifted with depth and available light changes. Now you have a shifting scene with a kaleidoscope of whites but only 1 white setting that's way off. It's fixable with key framing your color correction to compensate for the shift. But if the shift is uneven in pan, it'll be quite a bit of work. This is with the red filter.

    By keeping WB at "daylight" 5600k, the only big shift would be luminance. Thus post will be easier to have a constant look for continuity.

    Imagine if you have 6 shots of a whale playinng ping pong with a leatherback turtle. If you showed true colors one shot, and cut to a cyan based blue the next, it'd be confusing and ugly. Hence many a shooter try not to mess with WB for the sake of a consistent shot, and the fact that their post guys would put a curse on their next 17 generations. With the appropriate keying and masking, it's easier to "paint" color into a shotm provided there is enough chroma to work with.

    The difference with stills is that you have one shot to tell the story, so optimizing color etc is easier than video with multiple frames and shifting light where each frame is different. Very much depends on the scene obviously.

    Like everything else, there's the right time and place to WB or not.

  20. Thanks Gasguzzlerfordriving,

     

    OK - that makes sense - I would be fascinated to find out what percentage of the time vid guys here skip WB on purpose. Seems like most conversations on this topic are centered on how to WB better, not if and when...cool stuff.

     

    Thanks!

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