Should we exercice during a diving trip, or sit on a beach and read a book ?

I just can't see how you'd find the TIME and energy to excersise, let alone sit on the beach... The trips usally go: wake up, last minute fiddle w camera gear, breakfast if you can squeeze it in, dive, dive, lunch, dive, dive, snack, nitedive, dinner and checking out days photocrop... then crosseyedly trying to set up camera gear for next day - nodding off and finally deciding that cleaning o-rings in the morning instaed of having long breakfast is better than cleaning orings while half brain is asleep... I could not sqeeze in excersise in a divetrip, but perhaps if you are triathalon-fit you would have different kind of energy-levels

It definitely takes a bit of discipline more than fitness levels. I set my alarm to make sure I do my morning stretch. It helps with energy levels throughout the day.

I don't check my photos too much at the end of the day but maybe every other day. Downloading is pretty much automatic and I just write notes on what was seen and details of that sort if needed. Takes 30 mins. My gear is setup the night before so I don't fiddle with it in the morning. A bit of strength training and stretching that finishes an hour before bedtime helps me pass out like a baby for 6-7 hours. In that last hour, I may fiddle a bit with the day's catch but usually I prefer to read or write. I dunno, being on location tends to be the most regimented period of my life. Regular sleep and waking hours, with tasks done on schedule.

1hr split at the beginning and end of the day isn't so bad, once I got used to that it was easy to maintain. Not doing the morning blood flowing exercises, I feel more lethargic throughout the day. Same for the night calisthenics and stretch, the endorphin release post exercise relaxes the body. And as it has been shown in rats and human studies, it helps with off-gassing too... and I don't mean the food by product kind.

Quite an interesting post. For what its worth i practice some pranayam every morning irrespective of where i am. These are strenuous breathing exercises for approx. 27 minutes. I have "personally" found that this has caused no problem to my diving or led to any problems. But ofcourse i have logged only abt 120 dives till date. Even while on a liveboard i have continued with this routine. Have never indulged in a run or working out at the gym etc. on days i am diving.

Just for interest however how many calories would one lose on a dive ? An aprox. average ?

Cheers,

Diggy

For a 170lb, 64 inch tall age 40 it says 418 calories per hour. This I dont suppose will work if you are taking macro photos and staying still for a while.

http://www.fitday.com/webfit/exerciseinfopage.html

That reminds of a chart I read years ago about calories burnt. 4-600 calories for diving but 40-100 calories for sex? Obviously the mean study sample isn't doing it right! :D

That reminds of a chart I read years ago about calories burnt. 4-600 calories for diving but 40-100 calories for sex? Obviously the mean study sample isn't doing it right! :D

LOL we need a new measure and samples LOL

Anyway assuming one does 3 dives a day and we burn between 1200-1500 calories, is there really a need for a big workout ?

Cheers and thanks for the statistics deepsea.

Diggy

OK

My advice as a medical referee for the United Kingdom Sport Diving Medical Committee is for light to moderate cardiovascular exercise 6 hours after diving, so. in practice, in the early morning on a trip. Exercising between dives should be confined to walking, gentle stretches, yoga and similar. I would particularly avoid isometric exercise, but any kind of strenuous exercise is potentially bad, more so as the nitrogen builds up on a long trip.

I've long been concerned about the exertion that sometimes accompanies leaving the water and recovering out dive gear, but I also hate being helped!

I guess that we should be careful with what we eat (a joke, for those who have met my waistline )...

Tim

My advice as a medical referee for the United Kingdom Sport Diving Medical Committee is for light to moderate cardiovascular exercise 6 hours after diving, so. in practice, in the early morning on a trip. Exercising between dives should be confined to walking, gentle stretches, yoga and similar. I would particularly avoid isometric exercise, but any kind of strenuous exercise is potentially bad, more so as the nitrogen builds up on a long trip.

I've long been concerned about the exertion that sometimes accompanies leaving the water and recovering out dive gear, but I also hate being helped!

Tim, so the UKSDMC 's position agrees with the Janowski study on some benefits to remaining moderately active? It's no different than DAN's recommendation of 4 hrs before and 6 after. Many forms of yoga are isometric in nature. Are you saying climbing out of the water with gear on is a risk? Carrying empty tanks? I mean if so, many more dm/guides should have issues. Or is it a strain for those who don't do it often and not so much an issue with people who lift stuff normally?

Speaking of exercise from the fitday link:

How many calories do you burn during Sexual activity, Active, vigorous effort?

Male(using my own stats):

Calories Burned: 35 calories per hour

Female (using my stats):

Calories Burned: 31 calories per hour

I knew we men were getting short changed!

How many calories do you burn during Standing-reading?

Male:

Calories Burned: 56 calories per hour

Female:

Calories Burned: 49 calories per hour

Standing and reading burns more calories than vigorous sex? :D

Seriously where did they get these numbers from? Mandarin fish?

I'm thinking of yoga as a low-impact isometric exercise, rather than exercise associated with a lot of strain.

Climbing a ladder with a single cylinder is OK, I suspect, but struggling out of the water with a tech. diver's rig isn't. UK techies use hydraulic lifts!

Muscle fitness is an issue, but not, as far as I know, quantified.

Lastly, there isn't a UKSDMC policy; this is my own interpretation of the DAN position, except that I think that 4 hours beforehand is over-cautious.

A rule of thumb might be not to dive after exercise or exercise after a dive with a heart rate of 25% (?50%) over baseline.

Tim

That reminds of a chart I read years ago about calories burnt. 4-600 calories for diving

How many calories do you burn during Sexual activity, Active, vigorous effort?

Male(using my own stats):

Calories Burned: 35 calories per hour

Female (using my stats):

Calories Burned: 31 calories per hour

So the average married person burns more calories from a day of diving than they do, ahem, otherwise in a year?

It is strange that Dean has not yet in this thread, hope he is okay

Another factor that’s surprisingly not been mentioned thus far, after you begin doing your exercises while on your dive trip after reading this thread and you subsequently begin feeling not quite right like you’re making a few more bubbles than your dive buddy, maybe you’re one in the up to one in four or five of the population that has a PFO (Patent Foramen Ovale) that’s small or large and patent to one degree or another…

Another factor that’s surprisingly not been mentioned thus far, after you begin doing your exercises while on your dive trip after reading this thread and you subsequently begin feeling not quite right like you’re making a few more bubbles than your dive buddy, maybe you’re one in the up to one in four or five of the population that has a PFO (Patent Foramen Ovale) that’s small or large and patent to one degree or another…

PFO came up in another thread recently in fact. Another Thread

Lots of medicine on a photo board

Thanks Tim for your input, especially about muscle fitness. Cause that has been an issue for me, Twice! The first time i had a back spasm was due to carrying heavy gear from the boat to the dive shop a couple of time(was helping the DM) post which in the evening i started with my yoga asanas. While doing the "halasana" i got a right back spasm. The doctor surmised that i was probably not relaxed while diving(which was true as i was new to the sport) and the problem got further elevated when i helped the DM and did the yoga in the evening! The second time this happened was when i was on a liveboard and with gear donned climed down a rope ladder on to a wating dive boat in not very calm water from where i jumped into another waing dinghy. This entire acrobatic effort took its toll and i had another minor upper back spasm. Both these were cured with simple physio stretching exercises and some steam. So i now concentrate on muscle fitness by doing simple physio stretches which also strenghthen the muscles. It seems that any tension leads to relaxation so definately as drew pointed out a few yoga stretches (tension) would defnately lead to a more relaxed dive profile, in my opinion. Just my two cents .........

As for the avarage male buring calories.......i guess initially the figure could be quite high and then the "law of diminishing marginal utility" sets in as the years go by. I guess this is why we put on weight after a few years as also loose "back muscle fitness" ? ..hmmmmmm I wonder ?

Cheers,

Diggy

So the average married person burns more calories from a day of diving than they do, ahem, otherwise in a year?

 

It is strange that Dean has not yet in this thread, hope he is okay

That, and the fact that it seems girls aren't pulling their weight between the sheets, burning a full 10% less calories per hour than men!

That, and the fact that it seems girls aren't pulling their weight between the sheets, burning a full 10% less calories per hour than men!

LMAO.

I am not sure if I should comment else we may have our first NSW thread

That, and the fact that it seems girls aren't pulling their weight between the sheets, burning a full 10% less calories per hour than men!

Perhaps they are just more efficient?

I am not sure if I should comment else we may have our first NSW thread

We have plenty of New South Wales threads.

We have plenty of New South Wales threads.

Whoops NWS.

I am not sure why people have issues with Violins in America

If we were meant to dive, we'd have gills.

I'll see if I can find some chamber stats.

Before the common use of "air breaks" or 10 minutes of air for each 30 minutes of O2, seizure rates (for MS and diabetic foot ulcers) were in the 10% of patients range. Now the numbers seem to be about 0.1% (based on Huang J. Trauma, 2006). From 1983 to 2001 in Hawaii (Smerz, Undersea and Hyperbaric Medicine, 2004) the overall O2 toxicity rate was 7/100 recompressions with the seizure rate at 0.6/100 recompressions.

Bill

Before the common use of "air breaks" or 10 minutes of air for each 30 minutes of O2, seizure rates (for MS and diabetic foot ulcers) were in the 10% of patients range. Now the numbers seem to be about 0.1% (based on Huang J. Trauma, 2006). From 1983 to 2001 in Hawaii (Smerz, Undersea and Hyperbaric Medicine, 2004) the overall O2 toxicity rate was 7/100 recompressions with the seizure rate at 0.6/100 recompressions.

 

Bill

There actually is a huge range of O2 toxicity reported in the literature, in this summary table linked below, you can see it varies fron 1 in 48 to 1 in 40,000. Depends on multiple factors. Monoplace, multiplace, air breaks, treatment protocols etc. Either way, in my own experience in a monoplace setting for wound management, treatments at 2.8ATA for 90 minutes, without air breaks, greater than 2000 treatments over about 3 years, I never saw a single seizure.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6hEfU-YbW...esult#PPA750,M1

The reality is that our tolerance for O2 toxicity while diving is clearly much lower than in a dry chamber. Added to this of course is that one cannot drown in a chamber.

Before the common use of "air breaks" or 10 minutes of air for each 30 minutes of O2, seizure rates (for MS and diabetic foot ulcers) were in the 10% of patients range. Now the numbers seem to be about 0.1% (based on Huang J. Trauma, 2006). From 1983 to 2001 in Hawaii (Smerz, Undersea and Hyperbaric Medicine, 2004) the overall O2 toxicity rate was 7/100 recompressions with the seizure rate at 0.6/100 recompressions.

There actually is a huge range of O2 toxicity reported in the literature, in this summary table linked below, you can see it varies fron 1 in 48 to 1 in 40,000. Depends on multiple factors. Monoplace, multiplace, air breaks, treatment protocols etc. Either way, in my own experience in a monoplace setting for wound management, treatments at 2.8ATA for 90 minutes, without air breaks, greater than 2000 treatments over about 3 years, I never saw a single seizure.

The reality is that our tolerance for O2 toxicity while diving is clearly much lower than in a dry chamber.

Thanks for the info guys, seems like the old thing of lies, darned lies and stats as always

Added to this of course is that one cannot drown in a chamber.

There actually is a huge range of O2 toxicity reported in the literature, in this summary table linked below, you can see it varies fron 1 in 48 to 1 in 40,000. Depends on multiple factors. Monoplace, multiplace, air breaks, treatment protocols etc. Either way, in my own experience in a monoplace setting for wound management, treatments at 2.8ATA for 90 minutes, without air breaks, greater than 2000 treatments over about 3 years, I never saw a single seizure.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6hEfU-YbW...esult#PPA750,M1

The reality is that our tolerance for O2 toxicity while diving is clearly much lower than in a dry chamber. Added to this of course is that one cannot drown in a chamber.

Well, I did 2.7 in controlled underwater environment for kicks and lived to tell the tale. Went to about 2.4 in very uncontrolled circumstances (down current in Komodo which made me swear off diving EAN at many sites).

As for drowning in the chamber, that may be true of water, but one can still drown in the bad BO of the chamber nurse!