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L&M Bluefin / Sony CX550 experience

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L&M Bluefin / Sony CX550 experience

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  1. NightDiver,

    I don't think the microphone on the Bluefin is supposed to help much with underwater audio. However, it would certainly help above water, as the camera will be well screened from the external world in its housing. I have a friend having shot videos topside with his Sony SR12 in a Sea&Sea housing and the sound was completely muffled... That's why I personally have another camera for topside shots (not mentioning that holding the camera in its housing to shoot out of the water is quite cumbersome).

    I am happy to hear that the Stingray+ delivers. Can't wait to get mine next week...

  2. Regarding white balancing, which I am looking forward to be able to do underwater with the CX550V (not so with my previous camera and housing), I practiced a bit above water (as recommended by Peter) and it appears that what matters is not the actual color (white) but the fact that the color filling the frame has equal RGB values.

    In other words, any shade of gray (that is not too dark though) does the trick. I tested that with a black and white (and gray!) poster attached to my white wall. The camera electronics appears to correct each color pixel value such that for the actual scene, the result is an image with equal R, G and B value. The fact that it works with any shade of gray seems to indicate that what the camera does is a simple rescaling of the raw pixel value.

    To illustrate what I mean, suppose that you are shooting a gray slate at the surface, using a "white" light. A perfect camera (which I'll suppose the CX550V is) will see a scene comprised of color pixels reading the same value, no matter what color filter they have in front of them, i.e R=G=B= say, X).

    [Oh yeah, each "pixel" of an image is in fact the result of reading 4 sub-pixel values, one red, one blue and two green, in general...]

     

    If we take this slate underwater at depth, there is much less red transmission, so our camera will read for instance G=B=X, but only R=X/2. White balancing simply tells the camera: when you read R = X/2, report R = X instead. The value of X used to measure the respective values of R, G and B does not matter for that purpose. What matters is that the target has R=G=B (i.e. is gray) IF SHOT IN WHITE LIGHT AND NO ABSORPTION BY THE ENVIRONMENT. And also of course that we use the same illumination light than when we will shoot the actual scene.

    A corollary of this is that if you white balance with an object which has say, a larger R value than G=B value under white light (a red curtain for instance), the camera result will look blueish/greenish, because it will artificially reduce the red pixel values (I confirmed this too). Experimentally too, it seems that you don't need to fill your frame with the white or gray object, as long as it covers a significant part of the scene. For instance, I managed to white balance correctly filling more than 75% of the field of view with my red curtain and having the rest filled with the white wall. The camera electronics apparently looks for a bright cluster in the color histogram and decides that this is what he has to call "white/gray". So you might not need to zoom fully on your fins or slate as long as you have it on a dark background (so that the camera is not fooled in believing that the background is actually what it has to interpret as "white/gray".

    In summary, if you are afraid to be ridiculous with white fins, you could as well use light-gray fins! And better yet, if you happen to have one handy, you can white balance on a Great White or any gray shark/fish swimming nearby... :-)

    Edited by uwxplorer
  3. I don't think the microphone on the Bluefin is supposed to help much with underwater audio.

     

    I've used the UW audio sounds from the Bluefin in 3 situations:

     

    - Breathing and bubbles for a few seconds to highlight that a diver is underwater

    - Clacking of crabs and mantis shrimps to match the footage

    - Splash sounds (from UW) when filming a diver's stride entry from a fish's viewpoint.

     

    Works OK.

     

    Regards

    Peter

  4. I've used the UW audio sounds from the Bluefin in 3 situations:

     

    - Breathing and bubbles for a few seconds to highlight that a diver is underwater

    - Clacking of crabs and mantis shrimps to match the footage

    - Splash sounds (from UW) when filming a diver's stride entry from a fish's viewpoint.

     

    Works OK.

     

    Regards

    Peter

     

    OK, I did not phrase it right :-)

    Except for crab and shrimp clacking (and whale singing, and sealions blowing bubbles, etc, etc) or bubbles and splash sounds, there is not much to be missed underwater (although some people manage to speak quite understandably underwater, from my experience)... However, I have watched a guy interviewed with the camera in a housing, and there is practically nothing understandable...

    I may regret not having bought the Bluefin if I can't hear my bubbles anymore, though!

     

    Best.

  5. Just received the Beast (the Fathom WA90). That's a big piece of glass!

    Problem is, it doesn't come with any protection... Hard to believe, but L&M naively confessed that they have nothing to provide!

    Just as a reminder, that's a $1,800 piece of optics!!!

    Anyway, just wondering whether anybody could recommend some pointers for a cap that can be easily slid in and out and tucked in a pocket underwater.

  6. Just received the Beast (the Fathom WA90). That's a big piece of glass!

    Problem is, it doesn't come with any protection... Hard to believe, but L&M naively confessed that they have nothing to provide!

    Just as a reminder, that's a $1,800 piece of optics!!!

    Anyway, just wondering whether anybody could recommend some pointers for a cap that can be easily slid in and out and tucked in a pocket underwater.

    I suggest that you could cut up an old 3mm wetsuit and make something that slips on and off as required. Or go to a wetsuitmaker and get a "hood" tailormade.

     

    I expect to collect my Fathom 90 next week so will apply myself to solving the problem myself then.

     

    Regards

    Peter

  7. Just received the Beast (the Fathom WA90). That's a big piece of glass!

    Problem is, it doesn't come with any protection... Hard to believe, but L&M naively confessed that they have nothing to provide!

    Just as a reminder, that's a $1,800 piece of optics!!!

    Anyway, just wondering whether anybody could recommend some pointers for a cap that can be easily slid in and out and tucked in a pocket underwater.

     

    Measure the outside diameter and go to home depot, lowes etc.. Look for a PVC end cap with an inside diameter that is close. You can add some waterproof tape to the end cap to tighten the fit.

  8. Hmmm... Having trouble understanding what to expect from the WA lens on land. I can't seen to be able to zoom AND focus with the WA 90. I know that there are no specs in air (minimum distance are only specified in water at http://www.uwimaging.com/stingray/stingray-optics), but this is kind of puzzling. I won't be able to test the housing until in a couple of weeks though...

     

    Also Peter, I was wondering whether you would have a chance to check the following with the Bluefin housing: I am not sure whether I will take stills underwater, but just for the sake of training, I decided to go through the routine for taking stills. I set the picture size to 6.2M (that's a 4:3 format, which uses ALL the sensor, contrary to the 16:9 format) and the back LCD display stretches the scene so that it occupies the whole 16:9 LCD. Of course that's as ugly as watching a SD show stretched on a widescreen TV, but apparently, that's a "feature" of the Sony output. The strange thing is that the picture is displayed correctly on the CX550 LCD (it is letterboxed with black bars on the side, which is OK since it is a 4:3 picture)... Just curious if the same phenomenon occurs on the gorgeous OLED of the Bluefin (I assume that it is connected the same way to the CX550V).

     

    Thanks in advance for your feedback.

  9. Hmmm... Having trouble understanding what to expect from the WA lens on land. I can't seen to be able to zoom AND focus with the WA 90. I know that there are no specs in air (minimum distance are only specified in water at http://www.uwimaging.com/stingray/stingray-optics), but this is kind of puzzling. I won't be able to test the housing until in a couple of weeks though...

     

    Also Peter, I was wondering whether you would have a chance to check the following with the Bluefin housing: I am not sure whether I will take stills underwater, but just for the sake of training, I decided to go through the routine for taking stills. I set the picture size to 6.2M (that's a 4:3 format, which uses ALL the sensor, contrary to the 16:9 format) and the back LCD display stretches the scene so that it occupies the whole 16:9 LCD. Of course that's as ugly as watching a SD show stretched on a widescreen TV, but apparently, that's a "feature" of the Sony output. The strange thing is that the picture is displayed correctly on the CX550 LCD (it is letterboxed with black bars on the side, which is OK since it is a 4:3 picture)... Just curious if the same phenomenon occurs on the gorgeous OLED of the Bluefin (I assume that it is connected the same way to the CX550V).

     

    Thanks in advance for your feedback.

     

    I am traveling at the moment and the housing is packed so I can't test the image monitor. As the display content is a function of the camera, not the housing, I would imagine that it looks the same. I have hardly ever used any video camera for still images as the results are suboptimal

     

    You can not expect the Fathom 90 to perform in air as it's design assumes water on the external surface. Try it in a bath full of water.

     

    Also, just so you don't get surprised, when you lock focus thru the WA lens, the distance displayed will not be the actual distance to the subject as the camera will focus on a virtual image projected by the lens. You'll need to use the monitor to check the the focus is correct. Of course, the DoF is so wide with WA that precision focusing is not essential.

     

    Regards

    Peter

  10. You can not expect the Fathom 90 to perform in air as it's design assumes water on the external surface. Try it in a bath full of water.

     

    Also, just so you don't get surprised, when you lock focus thru the WA lens, the distance displayed will not be the actual distance to the subject as the camera will focus on a virtual image projected by the lens. You'll need to use the monitor to check the the focus is correct. Of course, the DoF is so wide with WA that precision focusing is not essential.

     

    It is indeed obviously absolutely totally not designed for use in air!!! And the distance reported by the camcorder (in air) has certainly no relation what so ever to the subject's distance (when it's in focus).

    Unfortunately (contrary to you apparently :) ), my bathtub is about 5 feet in length, so checking the focusing capabilities of the system will be tricky!!! I'll wait for the next pool session.

     

    One of the thing I am wondering about is the balance of the system with this significant weight in the front... But I have no doubt that this lens is going to trigger some "Ah!"'s and "Oh!"'s on many a boat!

     

    Thanks for your feedback.

  11. It is indeed obviously absolutely totally not designed for use in air!!! And the distance reported by the camcorder (in air) has certainly no relation what so ever to the subject's distance (when it's in focus).

    Unfortunately (contrary to you apparently :) ), my bathtub is about 5 feet in length, so checking the focusing capabilities of the system will be tricky!!! I'll wait for the next pool session.

     

    One of the thing I am wondering about is the balance of the system with this significant weight in the front... But I have no doubt that this lens is going to trigger some "Ah!"'s and "Oh!"'s on many a boat!

     

    Thanks for your feedback.

    Alas I too do not have a regal bathtub. But, if you put the housing at one end and a subject at the other end you should be able to do some test shots to get an idea of how focus and zoom work at distances from CU to 1 meter. A lot of UW shots are in this distance range. I find that a Lego model makes a good subject.

     

    It'll be interesting to see what the Fathom 90 does to the balance underwater. Of course, it can always me adjusted by a carved styrofoam block around the lens.

     

    Rgrds

    Peter

  12. It'll be interesting to see what the Fathom 90 does to the balance underwater. Of course, it can always me adjusted by a carved styrofoam block around the lens.

     

    Just took my L&M Bluefin 550 housing for a swim in the pool with the new Fathom 90 fitted. The Fathom 90 does not change the UW balance in any negative way. I guess that the increase in forward weight is compensated by the increase in buoyancy from the airspaces inside it. So, don't worry, it is just fine underwater.

     

    The Fathom 90 is a beautiful lens. Great to see the tiles of the swimming pool without any distortion. Bodes well for use in the ocean. No problems zooming through the whole range and getting a focus lock both close-up and distance.

     

    Regards

    Peter

  13. Just took my L&M Bluefin 550 housing for a swim in the pool with the new Fathom 90 fitted.

     

    Yep, the footage shot through the Fathom 90 is superb - for CU, MS and WA. Can't wait to get it into the ocean.

     

    Regards

    Peter

  14. Yep, the footage shot through the Fathom 90 is superb - for CU, MS and WA. Can't wait to get it into the ocean.

     

    Regards

    Peter

     

    Excellent. Paul Barnett had the same comments about the lens (but he may be slightly biased :-).

    Pool session next week-end and ocean after that.

    Did you cut out an old wetsuit to protect the lens? I still have a hard time swallowing that this does not come with the lens itself.

    Enjoy!

  15. Excellent. Paul Barnett had the same comments about the lens (but he may be slightly biased :-).

    Pool session next week-end and ocean after that.

    Did you cut out an old wetsuit to protect the lens? I still have a hard time swallowing that this does not come with the lens itself.

    Enjoy!

     

    My totally-uninformed guess is that L&M did not realize that the hoods they used to include with the Fathom 90 would not fit the new larger-diameter lens. They are probably sourcing some now. If you nag, I reckon they might send you one gratis when they are in stock.

     

    In the meantime, in a kitchenware shop, I found a small draw-string $2 cotton bag that fits over the lens.

     

    Regards

    Peter

  16. The LensCoat hood cover is actually great and a perfect protection underwater and on the surface. It has a padded disk in addition to the hood itself, which should protect it against any involuntary shocks when getting back on the boat...

     

    I tried the wide-angle lens, the camcorder and the housing in the pool.

    I have only one word: awesomest awesomeness...

    OK, that's two, but that's the idea!

    If only the viz in SoCal was better right now...

    Edited by uwxplorer
  17. The LensCoat hood cover is actually great and a perfect protection underwater and on the surface. It has a padded disk in addition to the hood itself, which should protect it against any involuntary shocks when getting back on the boat...

     

    What size did you buy?

     

    Regards

    Peter

  18. What size did you buy?

     

    Regards

    Peter

     

    XX-Large Hoodie Lens Hood Cover (Black)

    I was thinking of buying the pink one in case it fell off in the water but came back to my senses before I placed my order ;-)

  19. Here is it, for what it's worth:

     

    From what I can hear, the camcorder's microphone captures sound perfectly well in water but not at all on the surface (in the Stingray housing, which has no microphone). Kind of confirms my suspicion that this is one of the main advantage of having a microphone in the Bluefin housing...

    Edited by uwxplorer
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