Experience with TRT S-Turtle TTL trigger?

40 minutes ago, atus said:

What's the sense of getting the turtle trigger if you don't care about TTL and you don't have a pair of Retra Pro and can benefit of the HSS ?

 

Save battery life?

- brett

5 minutes ago, TmxDiver said:

Save battery life?

- brett

You don't need the turtle for that, there are quiet a lot of models to trigger the flash. 

1 minute ago, atus said:

You don't need the turtle for that, there are quiet a lot of models to trigger the flash. 

Okay, you meant the Turtle trigger specifically. I hadn't read that into your post.

- brett

9 hours ago, Lewis88 said:

Which wired TTL converter would you use? The UW Technics TTL converter supports wired, but if it doesn't support the D3's via fiber, will it support via wired?

 

The issue with the D3s is that the slave sensor is not sensitive enough to pickup the LED signal from the trigger.  The Turtle came into the picture because it claimed it would be bright enough to trigger the D3s.  Electronic triggering for the D3s is being tested for the D3s as we speak.  Some of this is being discussed in a parallel thread about why the d3s don't work optically with the UWT trigger.

2 hours ago, atus said:

You don't need the turtle for that, there are quiet a lot of models to trigger the flash. 

In this case no - the whole issue is other triggers are not bright enough to trigger YS-D3.  There is a parallel thread discussing why the D3s are not being triggered by the UWT trigger.

On 1/24/2021 at 7:55 AM, Lewis88 said:

Which wired TTL converter would you use? The UW Technics TTL converter supports wired, but if it doesn't support the D3's via fiber, will it support via wired?

 

For electronic triggering, my plan would be to stick with the UWT trigger I have and just change it over from the LEDs to their electronic bulkhead.

However, on further reflection, I have decided to sell the YS-D3s to a buddy and stick with my Z240s and f/o triggering for now.

I do believe that electronic triggering would work for the UWT to trigger the YS-D3s (though that is really just an educated guess, at this point). But, the UWT does not have a profile built in for the YS-D3, so it would (should) work fine for shooting in Manual, but who knows how well it would work for TTL, since it would have to be set to some other model of strobe's profile.

2 minutes ago, stuartv said:

 

For electronic triggering, my plan would be to stick with the UWT trigger I have and just change it over from the LEDs to their electronic bulkhead.

However, on further reflection, I have decided to sell the YS-D3s to a buddy and stick with my Z240s and f/o triggering for now.

I do believe that electronic triggering would work for the UWT to trigger the YS-D3s (though that is really just an educated guess, at this point). But, the UWT does not have a profile built in for the YS-D3, so it would (should) work fine for shooting in Manual, but who knows how well it would work for TTL, since it would have to be set to some other model of strobe's profile.

Ah darn, I was hoping a verdict for TRT and the YS-03 would be reached.

If you were closer than VA, I was going to see if we could meet to test the S-turtle and YS-D3 setup. The D3's are at the top of my list to replace my YS-110a's.

8 minutes ago, Lewis88 said:

Ah darn, I was hoping a verdict for TRT and the YS-03 would be reached.

If you were closer than VA, I was going to see if we could meet to test the S-turtle and YS-D3 setup. The D3's are at the top of my list to replace my YS-110a's.

I ordered a Turtle. I was sent the wrong one. I sent it back and they said they are issuing me a refund. They said they don't have the correct one. I assume if they had any hope of getting the correct one any time soon, they would have offered to wait and send me the correct one, but they didn't.

That was Bluewater Photostore. The only source I know for a Turtle is Backscatter, but Backscatter does not offer refunds for any reason and I'm not ordering a Turtle from them only to find out that it doesn't work for me.

If you find a source to buy an S-Turtle TTL for Sony mirrorless that offers refunds, let me know and I'll probably order it. I would definitely not mind being able to keep and use the YS-D3s.

11 minutes ago, Lewis88 said:

Ah darn, I was hoping a verdict for TRT and the YS-03 would be reached.

If you were closer than VA, I was going to see if we could meet to test the S-turtle and YS-D3 setup. The D3's are at the top of my list to replace my YS-110a's.

ps. If you're looking at paying normal, retail price for the YS-D3s, I would say to seriously consider spending just a little more and getting the Retra Pros (and the UWT trigger). I only bought the YS-D3s because I got them at Key Man pricing. Otherwise, I feel like they are just way too much trouble.

9 minutes ago, stuartv said:

ps. If you're looking at paying normal, retail price for the YS-D3s, I would say to seriously consider spending just a little more and getting the Retra Pros (and the UWT trigger). I only bought the YS-D3s because I got them at Key Man pricing. Otherwise, I feel like they are just way too much trouble.

From all I have read of late, I totally agree with Stuart; and a big thumbs up for the Retra strobes Pro or Prime.

15 minutes ago, stuartv said:

If you find a source to buy an S-Turtle TTL for Sony mirrorless that offers refunds, let me know and I'll probably order it. I would definitely not mind being able to keep and use the YS-D3s.

You can buy directly from TRT, and they will accept returns within 14 days of receipt, less shipping. Shipping from Europe is quick.

Terms and Conditions (trt-electronics.com)

13 minutes ago, stuartv said:

ps. If you're looking at paying normal, retail price for the YS-D3s, I would say to seriously consider spending just a little more and getting the Retra Pros (and the UWT trigger). I only bought the YS-D3s because I got them at Key Man pricing. Otherwise, I feel like they are just way too much trouble.

I already own the Turtle, so adding the UWT to retras, plus a bulkhead, double sync cable, etc adds more complexity and cost. But it's food for thought. 

I haven't even had a chance to Dive my Ys-110a's on my a6100 with sturtle. last dives I did were with my S95 in 2019. Darn covid.

1 minute ago, Lewis88 said:

You can buy directly from TRT, and they will accept returns within 14 days of receipt, less shipping. 

Terms and Conditions (trt-electronics.com)

I already own the Turtle, so adding the UWT to retras, plus a bulkhead, double sync cable, etc adds more complexity and cost.

Well, that's interesting. I emailed back and forth with Balazs about where to buy from. I told him I didn't want to buy from BS because of no refunds. He suggested Bluewater, but never mentioned ordering it directly from their website.

If you get the Retras, you could/would still trigger them with f/o. No need for the electronic cable, etc.. And since you own the Turtle already, sure, stick with that.

So, to replace your YS-110as, you would only need to buy the Retras, and nothing else.

1 minute ago, stuartv said:

 

Well, that's interesting. I emailed back and forth with Balazs about where to buy from. I told him I didn't want to buy from BS because of no refunds. He suggested Bluewater, but never mentioned ordering it directly from their website.

If you get the Retras, you could/would still trigger them with f/o. No need for the electronic cable, etc.. And since you own the Turtle already, sure, stick with that.

So, to replace your YS-110as, you would only need to buy the Retras, and nothing else.

 

He likely assumed you wanted a stateside supplier. I also just noticed that the retras are compatible with my sturtle, and does HSS! Very interesting.

Just now, Lewis88 said:

He likely assumed you wanted a stateside supplier. I also just noticed that the retras are compatible with my sturtle, and does HSS! Very interesting.

Or he was trying to not steal business from his US retailers. And I can totally respect that.

But, I also see now that if I buy it directly from his website, with shipping and conversion from Euro to USD, it would only cost $345 - instead of $450 from one of the US retailers....

I just went ahead and bought one from Balazs's website. I'm too intrigued if it will work. It would be a helpful option with my YS-D3's.

12 hours ago, ScottAudette said:

I just went ahead and bought one from Balazs's website. I'm too intrigued if it will work. It would be a helpful option with my YS-D3's.

Please report back!

2 hours ago, Lewis88 said:

Please report back!

For sure. Seems he's on a dive trip! LOL so it's gonna be a few weeks!

My turtle arrived yesterday with the new LED's. I will be giving it a try tomorrow!

On 1/25/2021 at 5:12 PM, stuartv said:

 

Well, that's interesting. I emailed back and forth with Balazs about where to buy from. I told him I didn't want to buy from BS because of no refunds. He suggested Bluewater, but never mentioned ordering it directly from their website.

If you get the Retras, you could/would still trigger them with f/o. No need for the electronic cable, etc.. And since you own the Turtle already, sure, stick with that.

So, to replace your YS-110as, you would only need to buy the Retras, and nothing else.

 

Dear Stuart,   
 

You asked me to give you a dealer in USA and We did it as i remember well.  
I can show you the emails what you have written.  

If you would have bought the TURTLE directly from Us the rules could have given you the refund possibility.
But sorry  we never tell the dealer which refund policy would be perfect with their customers. 

By the way the D3  is a wrong way!   They have very poor quality sensor 

So if you would have asked me which strobe is the perfect novadays we could have  mentioned to you numerous types. 

Please in the future don't write non real negative informations about Our firm in these forums.  
Thank you for your understanding.

Balazs Kurucz 
Owner of TRT-Electronics

1 hour ago, Balage_diver said:

Dear Stuart,   
 

You asked me to give you a dealer in USA and We did it as i remember well.  
I can show you the emails what you have written.  

If you would have bought the TURTLE directly from Us the rules could have given you the refund possibility.
But sorry  we never tell the dealer which refund policy would be perfect with their customers. 

By the way the D3  is a wrong way!   They have very poor quality sensor 

So if you would have asked me which strobe is the perfect novadays we could have  mentioned to you numerous types. 

Please in the future don't write non real negative informations about Our firm in these forums.  
Thank you for your understanding.

Balazs Kurucz 
Owner of TRT-Electronics

 
 

Hello Balazs,

It's good to hear from you! I had emailed you on 1/21, asking what the differences are between the 3 different Turtle triggers for Sony that are shown on your website. I never heard anything back. I was concerned something had happened to you!

I think we may have some kind of misunderstanding here. Your email to me on 1/13 said:

"My suggest if you can find a dealer where you live you can test it there."

In my response, I said:

"Is there another dealer in the USA besides Backscatter? I would buy it from Backscatter to try except that they do not offer refunds on returned items. If there was someone else to buy it from that would offer a refund in case I tried it and it didn’t work, then I would buy it from them."

You'll notice that I did not say "if there was someone else to buy it from in the USA..." I asked about a dealer in the USA in direct response to your suggestion to find one where I could test your trigger with my YS-D3 strobes. My statement about where I would buy it from did not, in any way, preclude the possibility that I would buy it from your website, had you told me about that option.

Perhaps we have experienced somewhat of a language barrier? I may be mistaken but I have gotten the impression that possibly English is not your native language? Your English is very good, but maybe there is some nuance here that has left us misunderstanding each other?

That might also explain another misunderstanding we seem to have been having.

In email from myself to you on 1/20, I said:

"I received my S-Turtle Smart trigger for Sony Mirrorless today, from Bluewater Photo Store."

After a couple more emails back and forth, in an email from you to me on the next day (1/21), you said:

"i don't know what did you order!  You never mention this!"

I am still unclear on whether "S-Turtle Smart trigger for Sony Mirrorless" is somehow ambiguous with regards to communicating to you what product I had purchased. I thought it was adequately specific to clearly identify what I had purchased, but I don't know your products well enough to be certain of that. Or possibly it was adequately specific and, as I hypothesized earlier, we may just be experiencing some level of misunderstanding due to a small language barrier.

Anyway, I do not believe I have posted any "non real informations" about your firm in these forums or anywhere else.

Regards,

Stuart