Nauticam Fisheye Conversion Port

Agree, it will be very interesting to see if produces a Tokina 10-17 equivalent lens with good optical qualities for full frame and other formats.  It could be a better option than adapting the 8-15 lenses on smaller formats as well, depending on what lenses it is compatible with.

4 hours ago, ChrisRoss said:

Agree, it will be very interesting to see if produces a Tokina 10-17 equivalent lens with good optical qualities for full frame and other formats.  It could be a better option than adapting the 8-15 lenses on smaller formats as well, depending on what lenses it is compatible with.

For FF this might be a valuable substitute for a fisheye lens with versatile zoom range (that does, at present, not exist). This comes at the expense of lugging around another 4 kg of optical glass...

For MFT the adapted Canon 8-15 is optically brilliant and I cannot imagine that a kit lens behind this monstrous adapter could perform better...

Also the Tokina performs surprisingly good, when one considers what a bad lens it is optically on the surface...

Hard for me to imagine that anybody with a small sensor (MFT/APS-C/DX) will exchange the Tokina or Canon fisheyes (behind 100 or 140 domeports) against this hughe wetlens. My mother used to say that it is very easy to make tasty food when using a lot of salt and/or butter, but the art is to prepare it using small amounts. I think Nauticam should consider this and produce smarter and smaller solutions...

Since there is no information by Nauticam so far and they did not say much at the scuba show, it may be that it is just an experimental prototype and it is nor going (yet) into production?

Wolfgang

18 minutes ago, Architeuthis said:

Also the Tokina performs surprisingly good, when one considers what a bad lens it is optically on the surface...

 

So true!

19 minutes ago, Architeuthis said:

Hard for me to imagine that anybody with a small sensor (MFT/APS-C/DX) will exchange the Tokina or Canon fisheyes (behind 100 or 140 domeports)

Really! If the weight is 4kgs you must REALLY want that capability to lug that around. A 230 dome is bad enough. 

24 minutes ago, Architeuthis said:

For FF this might be a valuable substitute for a fisheye lens with versatile zoom range (that does, at present, not exist). This comes at the expense of lugging around another 4 kg of optical glass...

For MFT the adapted Canon 8-15 is optically brilliant and I cannot imagine that a kit lens behind this monstrous adapter could perform better...

Also the Tokina performs surprisingly good, when one considers what a bad lens it is optically on the surface...

Hard for me to imagine that anybody with a small sensor (MFT/APS-C/DX) will exchange the Tokina or Canon fisheyes (behind 100 or 140 domeports) against this hughe wetlens. My mother used to say that it is very easy to make tasty food when using a lot of salt and/or butter, but the art is to prepare it using small amounts. I think Nauticam should consider this and produce smarter and smaller solutions...

Since there is no information by Nauticam so far and they did not say much at the scuba show, it may be that it is just an experimental prototype and it is nor going (yet) into production?

 

Wolfgang

There is a challenge driven by the master lens itself 

Other than the sony 28-60mm that yes it is not very sharp at 28mm but improves later there are no small 28-60 or 28-70 lenses around on full frame 

As the master lens front element has a 67 mm or larger filter thread the adapters grow in size

It would be interesting to test this new solution against the Canon 8-15mm and the new Kenko HDX Pro teleconverter (which I have) to see how it does

Consider that the kenko solution adds a 20mm extension ring to the dome and that the tc itself is not heavy either so overall the solution is large but nowhere near 2kg as the dome is less than 700 grams

My experience with the TC is quite positive however when you zoom in the quality drops and so does the depth of field so you need to stop down more and more however at wide end I do not see any difference compared to the naked lens and the field of view is actually wider (which is bizarre) and even more distorted.

1 hour ago, TimG said:

So true!

 

Really! If the weight is 4kgs you must REALLY want that capability to lug that around. A 230 dome is bad enough. 

Lets see what it actually weighs and what lenses it works with, very little information out there so far.

The Fisheye Conversion Port is not an immanent release. The optical design isn't fixed, so everything is subject to change. This was a teaser to show where we are headed, and showcase the ongoing optical design that separates us from other housing manufacturers.  The goal is similar compatibility as WACP-1, so someone could travel with those two conversion ports and cover 180 deg and narrower with superior image quality than can be achieved with lenses behind domes.

Exceeding the optical performance of the very good Canon 8-15 and Nikon 8-15 fisheye lenses is no small task, but that is the goal.

I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Sony FE 28-60 f/4.5-5.6, Canon RF 24-50mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM, and NIKKOR Z 24-50mm f/4-6.3.  These all have compatibility with both a wet mount lens (WWL-1B and WWL-C, depending upon model) and WACP, and produce fantastic results with either.  WWL for a more casual user that prioritizes versatility and small size for travel, and WACP for the absolute image quality connoisseur.

Thanks for the clarification Ryan, looking forward to the final release. Loving the simplicity of the Sony FE 28-60 with WACP-C. It travels well and has replaced in most cases my Sony 12-24 zoom.

Also interested to see if the fisheye will be released in both N120 and N100 mounts.

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

, Canon RF 24-50mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM

It would be wonderful to get increased information on adapting this lens to Nauticam optics.  Its not listed on any of the port charts for the WWL-C, or the WACP-C or WACP-1 - all of which would be wonderful to know if and how they work.  Especially for Full Frame.  Is that information forthcoming? And thank you for commenting on this thread. I look forward to seeing this (hopefully) reach production.

1 hour ago, ColdDarkDiver said:

It would be wonderful to get increased information on adapting this lens to Nauticam optics.  Its not listed on any of the port charts for the WWL-C, or the WACP-C or WACP-1 - all of which would be wonderful to know if and how they work.  Especially for Full Frame.  Is that information forthcoming? And thank you for commenting on this thread. I look forward to seeing this (hopefully) reach production.

This works already 

View archived post in: Canon RF24-50 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM w/ Nauticam WACP-1 & WACP-C

Couple of updates. 

I put the FCP on my kitchen scales - 2.8KG. For comparison Nauticam 230mm dome is listed as 2.6KG. 

The FCP is quite a bit smaller than WACP-1.

I have been looking into it in the pool. I found it very sharp. Zoom range is definitely bigger than Tokina 10-17mm offers, which is fantastic. Can't wait to get it in the Red Sea - it is going to be amazing. 

Alex, what lens are you using in conjunction with the fisheye conversion port?

Alex, what lens are you using in conjunction with the fisheye conversion port?
 

Sorry for the slow reply. I had to check in with Nauticam to check what they are happy for me to share. I am using an FCP prototype, Nauticam have an idea to improve design for the production version. So this lens is worse-case in terms of performance. And I am already very impressed and very happy to use it as a main lens on my next trip - as in my view it already out performs all other options.

I used the Sony 28-60mm last night. These photos below - taken of the same subject from the same position show (the very large) range of FOV this combo creates. A 28-70mm would provide even more! Top FCP with 28mm, bottom zoomed in to 60mm. My image shows unprocessed files in Lightroom.

Alex, With your Sony A1 and NA-A1 housing are you using the N100 to N120 35.5 port adapter or does Nauticam have an N100 version of FCP?

The one I have is N100 - so I am not using an adaptor. But I think the one in your post at the top of the thread is N120. 

On 6/8/2023 at 11:50 AM, ColdDarkDiver said:

It would be wonderful to get increased information on adapting this lens to Nauticam optics.  Its not listed on any of the port charts for the WWL-C, or the WACP-C or WACP-1 - all of which would be wonderful to know if and how they work.  Especially for Full Frame.  Is that information forthcoming? And thank you for commenting on this thread. I look forward to seeing this (hopefully) reach production.

These port charts were updated last night.  There is a bit of testing ongoing, so there might be a few tweaks going forward.  WWL-C is exciting for me personally - really good performance, the only niggle being a touch of vignette in the extreme corners in raw files.  The in camera lens corrections for JPG knock this out, as would a gentle LR lens correct.  

https://www.nauticam.com/pages/n120-canon-r-mount-port-chart

FPC and WACP compatibility is fantastic too, but WWL-C checks a lot of boxes for many, and I believe the image quality is superior to anything I ever shot behind a dome at an equivalent FOV.  

So is the N100 version a direct mount to the housing or is an N100 extension required?

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

These port charts were updated last night.  There is a bit of testing ongoing, so there might be a few tweaks going forward.  WWL-C is exciting for me personally - really good performance, the only niggle being a touch of vignette in the extreme corners in raw files.  The in camera lens corrections for JPG knock this out, as would a gentle LR lens correct.  

https://www.nauticam.com/pages/n120-canon-r-mount-port-chart

FPC and WACP compatibility is fantastic too, but WWL-C checks a lot of boxes for many, and I believe the image quality is superior to anything I ever shot behind a dome at an equivalent FOV.  

This is very interesting, thanks...

What about the Sony and Sigma 24-70mm FE lenses for Sony FE mount? Is it already known, wehter they would fit the WWL-C?

Wolfgang

@Ryan is the anticipation that this fisheye conversion port will work with similar lenses to the WACP1/C (and in some cases WWL-C)?

My expectation is the lens compatibility will be similar to WACP-1, but as I've mentioned before this is preliminary and subject to change.