I'm looking for a debate on sharpness, etc. of the long heralded Tokina 10-17mm APS-C Fisheye lens. I and my fired realize  there's other choices for Nikon FX mirrorless bodies.

 

My friend is shooting a Nikon Z6 and simply wants to know it it would work with his Nikon FTZ adapter. He has access to a Tokina 10-17mm APS-C lens for a project. 

 

He currently uses a FTZ adapter on various FX Nikkor lenses with zero problems. His Nikon Z6 can change to DX so he just wonders if the Tokina 10-17mm Fisheye lens autofocuses and aperture can be adjusted via the camera.

 

Hopefully any Nikon mirrorless shooters here might know :)

 

Any insights appreciated!

 

David Haas

 

No, it won't work. Not supported by FTZ as it's an old "screw lens".

You might be able to use the Canon version of the 10-17mm on a Canon EF to Nikon Z adapter, though I have no idea how well those adapters work. 

OK, and my original post meant to say I WASN'T looking for a debate on sharpness, typing too fast LOL....

 

I did recall about the screw type AF of the Tokina 10-17mm. On APS-C it was very popular and are pretty cheap these days.

 

I wonder if the Nikon 16mm or Nikon 10.5mm Fisheye works on the FTZ adapter? Hmmmm........

 

My friend's looking for a possible alternative on his Galapagos eco-trip. It won't have any scuba, just some snorkeling with iguanas and sea lions.

 

I suggested instead of hauling his whole housing for limited water opportunities he get one of those EWA bags, slap a small fisheye in it and shoot away.......

 

I know, I know......Not the most elegant idea but it could lighten his load and allow him to make  "water theme" images on those excursions.

 

Thanks for the replies Dave and Issac......

 

DH

 

 

David. I'm pretty sure the Nikkor 10.5 DX lens has the same problem as the Tokina: it won't work on the FTZ. 

They can use a nikon 8-15mm FE with their Z6 and a small dome. It is not as cheap however. 

1 hour ago, Dave_Hicks said:

They can use a nikon 8-15mm FE with their Z6 and a small dome. It is not as cheap however. 

It does work well though!

Dave and Tim,

 

Yeah, he has access to that lens, just not sure on a non-diving trip if he really wants to haul it all for what will likely be a brief few in water encounters.

 

Thanks!

 

DH

9 hours ago, dhaas said:

Dave and Tim,

 

Yeah, he has access to that lens, just not sure on a non-diving trip if he really wants to haul it all for what will likely be a brief few in water encounters.

 

Thanks!

 

DH

On my Galapagos trip some time back we were in the water snorkelling every day, sometimes twice daily with opportunities to interact with sea lions, turtles, schooling fish and also one snorkel we swam with Galapagos sharks and spotted eagle rays.  Were using an Olympus tough cam, (pre TG series days) which worked fine.  I certainly think it's worth it to be able to record what we saw and would have liked to have had a more capable camera.  Fisheye might be a bit wide but having the long end of the Tokina would certainly be good.

Thinking myself changing to a Z Nikon system, I see that the only alternative to the Tokina 10-17 would be the Nikon 8-15mm, is that right?

And almost not considering using as a zoom, It seems to me useless at 8mm with that black circle image.

I was wondering if using the 8-15 with a 1.4 teleconverter is any good.

20 hours ago, canislupus said:

Thinking myself changing to a Z Nikon system, I see that the only alternative to the Tokina 10-17 would be the Nikon 8-15mm, is that right?

And almost not considering using as a zoom, It seems to me useless at 8mm with that black circle image.

I was wondering if using the 8-15 with a 1.4 teleconverter is any good.

 

Here is a long tread about the Canon 8-15mm with 1.4x and also 2x TCs:

 

Bottomline is that high quality 1.4x TC is very good and even 2x TC is o.k. I have no first hands experience with the Nikon 8-15mm, but possibly the situation is similar...

20 hours ago, canislupus said:

Thinking myself changing to a Z Nikon system, I see that the only alternative to the Tokina 10-17 would be the Nikon 8-15mm, is that right?

And almost not considering using as a zoom, It seems to me useless at 8mm with that black circle image.

I was wondering if using the 8-15 with a 1.4 teleconverter is any good.

Yes a suggested above, however with a 1.4x you are restricted to about 11-15mm zoom range of full frame, which is 15.5 - 21mm with the 1.4x.  Below about 11mm you don't illuminate ethe whole sensor.  I recall seeing reports the Nikon lens was not quite as sharp as the Canon equivalent, so I'm not sure ho well it performs with the 1.4x. 

 

Be aware that you need to use a Kenko 1.4x as it doesn't have the projecting front element and you would need to get advice on the right model to use on Nikon Z cameras.  There is an adapter to use Canon EF lenses on Nikon Z, which you could consider - then the performance of the Canon 8-15 would translate across to your camera.  It might be worth considering testing the adapter and 1.4x prior to committing to see that AF is usable.  An advantage of the Canon 8-15 is that it has a zoom lock for locking out 10mm or lower focal lengths.  With the 1.4x it would make it easier to set your min zoom.

1 hour ago, Architeuthis said:

 

Here is a long tread about the Canon 8-15mm with 1.4x and also 2x TCs:

 

Bottomline is that high quality 1.4x TC is very good and even 2x TC is o.k. I have no first hands experience with the Nikon 8-15mm, but possibly the situation is similar...

 

53 minutes ago, Chris Ross said:

Yes a suggested above, however with a 1.4x you are restricted to about 11-15mm zoom range of full frame, which is 15.5 - 21mm with the 1.4x.  Below about 11mm you don't illuminate ethe whole sensor.  I recall seeing reports the Nikon lens was not quite as sharp as the Canon equivalent, so I'm not sure ho well it performs with the 1.4x. 

 

Be aware that you need to use a Kenko 1.4x as it doesn't have the projecting front element and you would need to get advice on the right model to use on Nikon Z cameras.  There is an adapter to use Canon EF lenses on Nikon Z, which you could consider - then the performance of the Canon 8-15 would translate across to your camera.  It might be worth considering testing the adapter and 1.4x prior to committing to see that AF is usable.  An advantage of the Canon 8-15 is that it has a zoom lock for locking out 10mm or lower focal lengths.  With the 1.4x it would make it easier to set your min zoom.

 

Thank you so much both for the info. Will have a look at it.

I was planning to start the change from my actual setup (Nikon D300) to new one (Nikon Z7II) with the macro and leave the wide angle for later. I would love an equivalent Tokina 10-17 for FF to be honest.

I actually have the kenko 1.4 DGX that could try.

I suppose that for rectilinear wide angle the best option would be the Nikkor Z 14-30 F4.

Cheers.

 

I've got the Nikon Z6II and the Nikkor 8-15. It works very well with the FTZ. No problems.

 

Add the Kenko 1.4 and make sure you get the right version. I've got two DG and DGX

 

Nikon Z6III + FTZ + Nikkor 8-15mm + "N-AF 1.4X TELEPLUS PRO 300 DGX Kenko" will not focus or find an aperture

Nikon Z6III + FTZ + Nikkor 8-15mm + "1.4 TELEPLUS PRO 300 KENKO N-AF DG" works fine, will AF and finds the aperture

 

21 hours ago, canislupus said:

 

 

Thank you so much both for the info. Will have a look at it.

I was planning to start the change from my actual setup (Nikon D300) to new one (Nikon Z7II) with the macro and leave the wide angle for later. I would love an equivalent Tokina 10-17 for FF to be honest.

I actually have the kenko 1.4 DGX that could try.

I suppose that for rectilinear wide angle the best option would be the Nikkor Z 14-30 F4.

Cheers.

 

That's a penalty of going to full frame, not having access to something like the Tokina at a reasonable cost.  If Nikon did a high end APS-C option, it would make things easier for Nikon users I think, most people really don't need full frame.  You can house the Z50 and Canon R7 but Nauticam and Ikelite are your only two options.

2 hours ago, Chris Ross said:

That's a penalty of going to full frame, not having access to something like the Tokina at a reasonable cost.  If Nikon did a high end APS-C option, it would make things easier for Nikon users I think, most people really don't need full frame.  You can house the Z50 and Canon R7 but Nauticam and Ikelite are your only two options.

I am somehow stuck with S&S, then my only “viable” solution for the moment is to house the Z7II or Z6II.

I have think about it and I’m almost sure for the Z7ii, but coming from a D300 is a little bit of a pain.

I'm with Chris as coming to me tomorrow is my "new to me" Nauticam NA-R50 housing for the low price but powerful Canon R50 camera. 

 

I realize I will be relegated to the Canon RF-S 18-45mm IS STM "kit" lens in the fixed Nauticam bayonet port. Other than the 28-70mm approximate focal length of the "kit" lens options are super macro lenses via a 67mm bayonet adapter and wide angle WWL-B or WWL-C.  Have a few other ideas I'll try out but for my budget the Canon R50 at 24MP, the latest Canon DPAF and even 6K downsampled 4K video I'll be fine with the limitations.

 

Size both for travel and diving is #1 and I personally can't justify full frame in today's digital shooting world, but that's just me. 

 

While I enjoyed the 9 years of ringing every bit of capability out of my Canon G7X II compact 1" sensor camera I'm looking forward to the APS-C return 🙂

 

Already practicing with the Canon R50 camera in my office and the daily visitors in my back yard 🙂

 

DH

 

PS - IN the deal I found I'll already have a second Canon R50 with the RF-S 18-45mm IS STM lens required in the Nauticam NA-R50 housing so I'll be set for awhile !!!!!

 

 

 

 

Edited January 20Jan 20 by dhaas