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Poked around on their site and the 10mm fisheye link is still up in Chinese. Change the site to English and it vanishes but I did find this: https://en.7artisans.com/shop.aspx?nid=2&typeid=68 Looks like they are offering a 7.5mm f3.5 APS-C MF fisheye to influencers to review. Reported to have a 205° field of view.

On the question APS-C and FF I would say that m43 is very close in performance to APS-C and for most people it's enough. The lenses offered in m43 are comprehensive between what OM and Panasonic offer, 3 macro focal lengths, native fisheyes a wide range of rectilinears, 4 or 5 lenses that work with WWL optics plus they readily take adapted lenses via Metabones. The ability to use the Canon 8-15 means you have a fisheye and at least in field coverage a rectilinear 14-28 equivalent in one lens, looking another way it's a Fisheye plus about 2/3 of the focal range of a WWL. The 8-15 gets to 28mm equivalent in reach while a WWL gets to 30-35mm depending on the lens used with it. You can't do this with FF Canon or Nikon, with Sony you can combine a Sony 2x with the 8-15 but it takes a slight quality hit which many find acceptable. Canon you can do it but involves taking a file to an after market RF-EF adapter. Other than that you are looking at very heavy and pricey fisheye conversion port.

N100 ports would be big enough to solve that problem and Isotta have solved it as they use 102mm ports for m43. Seriously though the N85 is a little limiting - it would be nice to load the Canon 8-15 from the back but not worth changing systems over completely. It seems to me that Nauticam could consolidate their port offerings by scratching the n85 ports and just offer N100 and N120, for one thing they could have every port in native size and not need adapters. For example the 140mm port and 4.33" comes in N120 and N85 but not N100.

One disadvantage of smaller cameras, at least with Nauticam, is that the port size doesn't allow many common lenses to load from the rear. That said if I can get into a M4/3 housing which uses N120 or similar ports I might be very tempted. Although something like an A7CR isn't much bigger.

I’ve gone from small sensor to FF and back again. Sadly, it reflects more on my wallet than in the images I create. Like many I started with smaller sensors years ago. When FF came out I got excited and switched. When I look back across my library I see images that I like from both kinds of sensors (and on the FF side I’m comparing excellent machines like the Nikon D850 and Sony A7RV). When I got great pictures the subject, or the environment dominated the results. Recently I switched to the smaller sensor Canon R7. The determining factor was travel. Full frame can add to a lot of size and weight. M43 and similar smaller sensors years give more than enough performance and are far easier to travel with.

I checked this against the server and also looked for any obvious current Invision Community issue around reply uploads, Edge, pasted images, or the attachment uploader not appearing. I didn’t find a known public issue that matches this exact behavior. I also tested from a Windows 11 / Edge machine and the reply uploader appears and works there, so this does not appear to be a general Windows 11 or Edge problem. From the server side, your account is allowed to upload, your group permissions look correct, and your account has successfully uploaded images into replies. That means Invision is not globally blocking reply uploads for your account. The remaining evidence points to something local to the affected browser/device setup: cached site data, an Edge profile issue, an extension, privacy/security setting, or security software interfering with the editor/uploader JavaScript. Please try: 1. Edge InPrivate window. 2. Clear WaterPixels site data/cookies/cache. 3. Disable browser extensions temporarily. 4. Try Edge tracking prevention set to Basic for WaterPixels. 5. Try Chrome or Firefox on the same affected PC. 6. If it still fails, open F12 → Console, try the reply uploader/paste action, and send a screenshot of any red errors

I think we're spoiled nowadays. I have a Sony A1 as I wanted it for topside work, where it shines. I then built a UW system around it which I love. However, if I was starting from scratch I would probably go M43 now for the size and cost advantages. unless you want to crop big or print huge then I struggle to see any advantage with modern AF capabilities, especially if you're half decent with PP

I have on my work laptop. Tomorrow I will try

Nobody have a PC under Win 11 with edge ? If yes please try to upload here a picture

Hello @Nando Diver In davinci resolve 21 free I'm using GP-Tune plugin as suggested but ... I combined such input transform with REFERENT DWG TO REC709, the Curren Kelly free LUT as final output. I used pre clip group with GP-Tune and post clip group with the CK's LUT. It works fine. Bye Giacomo

from my android phone I se the upload banner

In Edge I can paste picture on other forum and in Copilot... that's not a blocking problem from Edge on my side I checked all I receive to check.

Some other search result. I gave the code to Copilot for analyse Invision Community – Missing Attachment Upload UI in Replies (Technical Report) SummaryThe reply editor does not display the attachment upload bar. The user can upload images when creating a new topic, but cannot upload or paste images when replying. The HTML structure captured from the reply editor confirms that the attachment upload container is missing entirely. 1. What the HTML shows The reply editor currently renders: html <div class="ipsComposeArea ipsComposeArea--reply ipsClearfix"> <div class="ipsComposeArea__photo"> <a href="https://waterpixels.net/profile/319-caoilla/" data-ipsHover data-ipsHover-target="https://waterpixels.net/profile/319-caoilla/?do=hovercard"> <img src="..." alt="User photo"> </a> </div> <div class="ipsComposeArea_editor"> <div class="ipsEditor" data-ipseditorv5-postkey="reply-..." data-ipseditorv5-autosavekey="reply-..." data-ipseditorv5-name="comment"> <!-- CKEditor instance --> </div> </div> </div> Critical observationThe expected upload bar container: html <div class="ipsComposeArea__attachments"> ... </div> is completely missing. This is why the user cannot upload files in replies. 2. What should normally appear In a fully functional Invision Community editor, the reply box includes: html <div class="ipsComposeArea__attachments"> <div class="ipsAttachmentDropZone">...</div> <div class="ipsAttachmentUpload">...</div> </div> This block is responsible for: drag‑and‑drop uploads file selection button attachment list paste‑to‑upload support Since this block is not present, the editor cannot display any upload UI. 3. Why this block is missing There are only three possible causes in Invision Community: A. Group permissionsIf the group does not have: Can upload attachments in comments/replies then the template removes the entire attachment block. This is the most common cause.

Hi admins Invision Community – Image Upload Issue (Replies Only) Environment: Browser: Microsoft Edge (latest version) OS: Windows 11 (fully updated) Platform: Invision Community (version unknown) Symptoms: When creating a new topic, the user can upload images normally. When writing a reply, the upload banner/button is missing. Copy/paste of images does not work in replies. Drag‑and‑drop also fails. 1. Summary of the IssueThe user cannot insert images when replying to an existing topic. The upload UI is visible and functional in new topics, but not in replies. Additionally, Microsoft Edge blocks image pasting inside the editor. This indicates two separate issues: Invision Community configuration/theme issue (upload bar missing in replies) Microsoft Edge clipboard permission issue (image paste blocked) 2. Technical Causes (Confirmed Patterns) A. Missing Upload Bar in RepliesThis behavior is known and documented in several Invision Community installations. It is caused by one of the following: 1. Group permissionsIn ACP → Members → Groups → (User Group) → Attachments Some installations have different permissions for: “Upload attachments in topics” “Upload attachments in comments/replies” If the second one is disabled, the upload bar disappears only in replies. 2. Theme template conditions Some themes hide the upload bar in replies using conditional logic. Example found in custom themes: html {{if $reply}} <!-- Upload bar hidden --> {{endif}} If the theme or a template hook modifies the editor layout, the upload UI may be removed. 3. JavaScript errors in the reply editorIf any editor-related JS fails to load, the upload bar does not appear. Files involved: ckeditor.js root_front.js editor.js Any custom JS from the theme A single 404 / 502 / blocked script will break the upload UI. The user previously reported 502 Bad Gateway errors on JS files, which strongly suggests this is happening again. 4. Application or plugin modifying the editorEven a small plugin can alter editor behavior. If a plugin affects posting or attachments, it may disable upload in replies only. B. Image Paste Not Working in Microsoft EdgeEdge has known restrictions affecting web editors: Clipboard API blocked by default Enhanced Security Mode disabling paste of images Domain-specific clipboard permissions Edge refusing base64 image insertion in some contexts This is browser-specific. If the same action works in Chrome/Firefox, Edge is the cause. 3. Recommended Diagnostic Steps (Admin) A. Check Group PermissionsACP → Members → Groups → (User Group) → Attachments Ensure the following are enabled: Can upload attachments Can upload attachments in comments/replies Allowed file types include JPG/PNG/GIF Maximum upload size > 0 B. Check Theme TemplatesACP → Themes → Edit HTML/CSS → front → posting → editor Look for conditional blocks hiding the upload bar in replies. C. Check JavaScript ConsoleIn Edge or Chrome: Open a reply form Press F12 → Console Look for errors related to: ckeditor.js editor.js root_front.js Any custom theme JS If any script fails to load, the upload UI will not appear. I checked when I create a new topic I have the banner and I can Paste "Drag files here to attach, or choose files... Insert existing attachment Max total size: 48.83 MB" It seems to be a config problem... (for a part of the problem )

great! we will all be interested in your experiences with this one! As for myself I went with Wed5Pro in the meantime but again - it will be great to hear other monitors experiences.

what you can achieve in that environment and what the two cameras might be capable of, are two different things very much so!

Playing with MWB we soon realized that adjusting WB and setting the temperature in Kelvin are not the same thing. Manual WB adjusts both the temperature and the tint. Then unfortunately with a standard codec (H.264, H.265 etc) the values are baked into the video, while with raw they are simple metadata that you can change in post. The great thing about RAW is that in post, besides adjusting the temperature, you can also adjust the tint, which is the green magenta axis. There is always the obstacle of storage space, which costs a lot. And with the current RAMageddon... P.S. The Sony X-OCN LT raw codec is impressive. It has a bitrate comparable to ALL-I H.265 codecs.

Hi Paul, What lenses do you use on your Red? PL cinema lenses? Classic Canon EF lenses? The big problem for those of us using classic housings is the lenses, and basically the control rings that operate the focus and also the zoom. In standard housings the control rings are designed to have an almost direct gear ratio, made for quick adjustments before taking a photo. In video, a direct ratio often leads to jerky movements and introduces micro vibrations. Cinema control rings use a geared down system instead, which requires a wider rotation to produce a small movement on the lens, providing smooth and steady transitions. The larger knobs offer better mechanical leverage and targeted inertia. This allows you to operate the control by resting your palm or using several fingers steadily, reducing the shakes typical of the two finger grip required by standard control rings. In addition, Nauticam cinema series control rings are designed to work with lenses that have standard 0.8 MOD gear teeth, with almost zero tolerance. Also, cinema lenses have hard stops at minimum focus and infinity. Normal photographic modern lenses have focus by wire, and unfortunately, speaking of my popular M43 lenses, the movement or focus speed is also variable, meaning the focus travel also depends on how fast you turn the focus ring. It is impossible to make transitions. Only on the most modern ones can you set them to linear and even set the range of movement, for example, 90, 120, or 180 degrees. That is why, in situations where you have to change the focus point manually, for example in macro, with normal housings and lenses people use the old trick of moving the housing back and forth just a little bit. It is a hard world for us 😁

I don't know about that Dave. I my case, it's more like the rhetorical question of which came first, the chicken or the egg? But I will affirm the current setup on my rebreather is a lot cheeper than the overall cost of my current camera rig.😉

I've used both, Mike. Like so many things with underwater photography, what you can achieve in that environment and what the two cameras might be capable of, are two different things. I used a D800 (FF) for about 4 years and a D500 (APS-C) for 9 years. Other than having more pixels to crop, I honestly could not see the difference for the types of images I use: selling to stock agencies, on my computer, sending to friends, the occasional A2 print.... For me, and I'm sure others will argue, the disadvantage of FF is the size of the gear, the extra difficulty of housing a rectilinear with a huge port - and the cost of the lenses. I know wet lenses can make a difference for wide-angle and might be easier to "house". For that it's worth, I would not go back to FF. I'm actually moving down again to M43!

When you have spent all you can on scuba gear, buy a camera. When you have spent all you can on cameras, buy a Rebreather! . .. ... Actually my CCR was al lot cheaper than my latest camera rig. 🙄

Maybe the photos are just cad rendering but they have 10mm 1:2.5 FISHEYE printed on them. Very strange

The new 7Artisans full frame AF 10mm is an F/2.5 MAX fisheye lens. MAX seems to be a new line of high end lenses that have aperture rings, function buttons, weather sealing and more. This is one of the worst lens rollouts I have seen in some time. No information released in English, no lens reviews found on Youtube in any language and no updates after being announced in China. Further the lens in Sony FE, Nikon Z and L-mount was listed on B&H for close to three weeks with a notation that B&H was waiting for a price and release date so they could take pre-orders. Two days ago the lenses were removed from the Q and are no longer listed on the site. Not a good start after all the hype 7Artisans had gotten.

technically speaking what are the advantages and disadvantages of the APSC and full frame cameras? clearly bigger sensor and more pixels with full frame, but beyond that are there any specific technical or optical matters of relevance to UW photography? Mike S

Spreadsheet updated with the latest Kraken monitor V3. I asked them its underwater weight. i will report back as i get an answer. Ciao