Phil Rudin

Regarding Marelux strobes, the third strobe in the line is Apollo Y which has the ability to cancel pre-flash. When Marelux first arrived on the U/W photo scene five years ago they introduced housings only designed for full frame mirrorless cameras. Along with those housings they offered manual flash triggers for around $200.00 which use two 2032 batteries that last for around 10,000 flashes. These triggers were designed only for Marelux housings. Later came FlashFuel 2100 capable of 140,000 flashes and a separate battery connected by USB to the camera extend camera battery life by around double. The FF2100 required a redesign of housings to accommodate the battery. Turtle and UWT also began to design both manual and TTL flash triggers for Marelux housings. The first housings for APS-C cameras were designed around cameras like EOS R7 that have hotshots for MX-triggers and use the native 125mm port system also used for FF. Now that housings are coming for cameras like EOS R50, OM1 II and more the Apollo Y was introduced to include the PRE-FLASH cancelation. Marelux first two strobes Apollo III and Apollo S were designed to allow use of the Lumilink for wireless flash triggering and to focus on speed and battery life. Many folks looking for a new strobe focus first on GN or Watt-seconds without paying any attention to the strobes beam angle. Apollo III, S and Y all have a native 120 degree beam angle expandable to 140 with a diffuser. The GN can easily be increased by simply narrowing the beam angle so while strobes like the Sea & Sea YS-D3 have a GN33 it is at a beam angle of 80X105 degrees. With the included white diffuser the angle becomes 100 X 110 and GN drops to 28. This is not a bad thing but just know that by the time you get to the native 120 angle of Apollo Y the GN's are the same +/- a point or two. Backscatter does the same thing, MF-3 has GN19 and angle of less than 100 degrees. Again the MF-3 is designed mostly around macro so reducing the beam angle to raise GN makes sense. You may also want to consider power source. Nearly all of the newer strobes and video lights that don't have a proprietary battery pack have moved to 18650 or 21700 Li-ion cells. Why does this make a difference just compare specs for the new strobes. The S&S YS-D3 uses four AA Ni-MH cells, S&S spec sheet indicates 220 flashes at full power charge with recycle times of 1.7 sec. on full charge. Inon S2000 with Pro eneloop AA's 500 flashes at full power and recycle times of 2.0 secs. full power. By comparison Apollo Y with two 21700 at full power gives you around 1500 flashes and full power recycle times of 0.6 sec. We of course don't shoot all photos at full power but the specs clearly favor Li-ion batteries. Several talking heads have tried to discourage use of Li-ion cells because of fire risk. Marelux have proprietary cells with protection circularity and because these cells need to be carried in carry-on luggage that also sell completely fire proof bags for travel.

First let me say congratulations on the new strobes and to the newish owner of Sea & Sea who I have known for over twenty years. Above you have stated that you discovered "limitations" with Marelux Apollo S strobes but did not articulate what those limitations are. If you are talking about specs. as opposed to cost/availability in your area I would be interested to know what specs you may take issue with. I would submit that regarding specs. the new $549.00 Apollo Y has specs equal to or better than YS-D3. Could you help me understand what is lacking in the Apollo line of strobes.

Marelux has recently introduced the budget friendly ($549.00) Apollo Y strobes, the third strobe in the Apollo line. This is a very travel friendly strobe that uses 21700 or 18650 batteries. I have been shooting these strobes for a few weeks without using any diffusers with both macro and wide zoom lenses. I have attached a few images to illustrate the Apollo Y performance. Product Features 1. Support TTL, Olympus RC, HSS (The TTL, HSS, and RC modes require compatible flash triggers to be used) 2. With a special designed MTL mode, support continuous flashes at 10 FPS within a maximum brightness of GN9 3. Fiber Trigger: with one fiber port that supports M, Pre Flash(Compatible with compact cameras),TTL, Olympus RC(Supports RC-MANUAL, RC-TTL, RC-FP), M-HSS and MTL modes 4. Guide Number: 22 (on land) 5. Beam Angle: 120 °（140 ° with Diffuser ） 6. Color Temperature: 6000k (5500k with white diffuser,4700k with yellow diffuser) 7. Full Power Recycle Time: 0.6 second 8. Dimensions: max diameter 80mm, main body length 116mm, full length (including battery chamber ) 167mm 9. Weight in Air: 880g(with 2*21700 battery),834(with 2*18650 battery) Underwater weight :230g(with 2*21700 battery),184g(with 2*18650 battery) 10. Battery: 2x 21700 lithium batteries(The battery length must be within 75 mm) ,MAX discharging current 15A (Compatible to 18650 lithium batteries with adapter) 11. Detachable Water Proof Battery Chamber (Patented Design) 12. Full Power Flash Count: around 1500 times 13. Two Video Light Colors: 3000 lumens on white（Runtime up to 120 minutes） and 1000 lumens on red 14. Depth Rating: 100m

My review for the new Rokinon AF 14-24mm F/2.8 for Sony full frame is now active in the latest issue #149 of UWPMAG.com. Samyang/Rokinon. has collaborated with venerable lens designer Schneider-Kreuznach to create this new design. UWPMAG.com is a free PDF download.

I started using the Zen 100mm port over a decade age with the Canon 8-15mm and later moved to the Nauticam 140mm port which if placed correctly gives better image quality in the outer parts of the frame. I to found the DP-100 port shade to be a pain to remove and reinstall underwater, in fact I just left if off completely and covered the glass with neoprene getting in and exiting. I had to do the same with the NA port. When I moved to Marelux I used the NA to MX 20mm port adapter and continued using my NA ports. When Marelux introduced their 140mm port with the bayonet sun-shade my NA-140 was the first port to go. I can now remove and reinstall easily, I put the cover over one arm and the shade over the other or clip it off on my BC. The biggest increase in IQ comes when using full frame cameras with the 140 v 100mm. An upside to the 140mm port you may not have considered is the ability to use other fisheye and rectilinear lenses with it as long as the extensions are correct.

I have shot about 15,000 images with a pair of Apollo S strobes and had no issues. I used them first in manual and later moved to TTL with the UWT internal and external flash triggers having shot about 12,000 of the 15,000 in TTL, again no issues and the most accurate TTL I have ever used. You may also want to have a look at the new Apollo Y strobes which are very competitively priced V specs.

Working distance for the older Canon EF 8-15mm MFD is 15cm V. 14.73cm for the RF version I doubt you will see much difference between the two as the lengths with EF adapter are about identical.

The Marelux Aquista 135D ( D meaning direct mount like the WACP line ) has a max diagonal field of view of 135 degrees on full frame with a FF lens set at around 26-28mm. It will have anti-corrosion and anti-reflective coatings, it uses the Marelux serious 5 port mount, which means extensions and port adapters can be used. depth rated to 100 meters and will retail for $2599.00. I have not yet seen or used the lens but will have it in house by April if all goes well. This design will allow for a greater number of lenses to be used than for the Aquista 110 & 130 designs that mount onto a flat 67mm port. A list of lenses should be coming soon and I will post when they are released.

I have been using the Marelux single flip adapter with both SMC-1 and Marelux Macrovie +5, +10 & +15 C/U lenses for two years now. Both NA & MX mount the same with the lens protruding a bit in the rear of the holder rather than flat. Single flip is $259.00 and the dual is $299.00 and both come with the installation tool.

A zoom gear with a creative design will be needed to get around the filter holder that protrudes out of the rear of the lens if you are zooming from the housing. I doubt the lens will be adaptable to other brands like the EF lenses are. I expect we will see several EF versions for sale just like the Sony 90mm macros when the 100 macro was released. Looks like an exciting lens for U/W shooters.

I have the lens and the only test I have done is with the 140mm dome. As expected soft at the edges and covers about 60% sharply so OK in a pinch but the Marelux 210mm or 230mm ports would be a much better choice. I had the port direct mounted and will try with a 15mm extension as well at some point. Currently working on other lenses.

I have used nothing but two 1500ml Flexibuoys for over two years now with all port configurations from macro to 230mm glass domes and housings from Sony A1 II to compacts. They are inexpensive, pack for travel better than any other system I have used and don't require making weight changes between systems, I.E. adding or subtracting floats. They can be moved around on the housing system underwater to suit your needs and if properly placed will not impede your vision. With each configuration you will have a bit of a learning-curve regarding keeping the inflation end down and buoyant end up especially when moving from landscape to portrait orientation. If you are uncomfortable removing your mouth piece to inflate the buoy you should reconsider your dive training and get comfortable regardless if you use Felxibuoy or not. On most dives you go deep first and work your way up. I inflate at the deepest area of the dive and as you slowly move towards the surface the gas escapes as the buoy expands, open ended system. I will understand if your vanity prevents you from using something that may make you look like a dork or is not used by the current guru you may be following.

As Chip has pointed out several lenses both rectilinear and fisheye work better in a 140mm full or near full hemisphere domes compared to larger non-fisheye domes like the 170/180mm verity. Also Chris has eluded to the physics of virtual image in a dome port where the larger the dome port the further the virtual image is from the lens. So the closer a lens focuses the smaller the port it will focus in. For the 140mm fisheye dome my experience been that lenses that have a minimum focus distance of around 16cm or less work best. These are a few I have tested in the Marelux 140mm fisheye dome port. This is my favorite 140mm fisheye dome simply because the sun shade bayonets on and off making it easy to use underwater. Rectilinear lenses include, Laowa 10mm F/2.8 AOV 130.4 degrees, Minimum focus distance 12cm, Retail $799.00 Laowa 12mm F/2.8 AOV 122 degrees, MFD 14cm, Retail $699.00 Viltrox 14mm F/4 Air, AOV 112 degrees, MFD 13cm, Retail $199.00 (High IQ for cost and better corners than the Sony 14mm F/1.8 at MFD of 25cm and the Rokinon 14mm F/2.8 MFD of 20cm) Sony FE 16mm F/1.8 G, AOV 107 degrees, MFD 15mm, Retail $898.00 Sony FE 20mm F/1.8 and 24mm F/2.8 G lenses both focus to 18cm but at 94 and 84 degrees they will still work Fisheye lenses include Canon EF 8-15mm F/4L, AOV 180 to 175 degrees, MFD 15cm, Retail $1299.00 plus Sigma or Metabones for Sony lens converter, Nikon made an 8-15 much like the Canon but harder to fine in the used market and the Nikon to Sony converters don't work as well as those for Canon. Sigma 15mm F/2.8 EX fisheye for Canon EF, works with the same converters as the Canon fisheye zoom, AOV 180 degrees, MFD 15cm, used market. strHori 6mm F/2.8 circular fisheye, 220 degree AOV, MFD 8cm, Retail $299.00, This is an all MANUAL lens which I set to F/11 with focus pre-set for max DOF from about eight inches to beyond visibility. This port also works with macro lenses in the 50mm to 150mm range adding back original AOV, increasing corner sharpness and reducing CA.

Already done and discussed several times. This is the WWL-1B on the Marelux Sony A1 housing using the Sony FE 28-60mm kit zoom with the flat port 32. You will see that the blue lens release has to be filed down a bit for easer release. The Marelux Aquista 130 & 110 wet wide lenses can also be used on the equivalent Nauticam housings with recommended lens/port combinations using the Marelux bayonet mount which is for 67mm. The Nauticam WACP-C and WACP-1/1B can also be used on Marelux with the respective N100 and N120 port adapters.

If you are trying to avoid products manufactured in mainland China then be aware that Nauticam and Marelux products are both manufactured in the Shenzhen Guangdong area of China which is north of the island of Hong Kong. In fact the two manufacturing locations are about 10 miles (16kilometers) apart from each other. The point being they are both equally affected by tariffs, cost of raw materials, labor cost and so on. Both companies are innovative and have raised the bar for U/W photo products. We should all consider that competition is always good for consumers.

Photos of the Marelux MX-A1II housing with the new 112 macro port for the Sony 100 macro. First image with the port and no extensions. With the 1.4X teleconverter the 15mm extension is just a mm or two short, second photo is with the 1.4X tele and 20mm extension and the third is with the 2X tele converter using a 30mm extension. Ports with extensions have the Marelux MV +10 C/U lens in place. The C/U lens does not seem to slow the AF but I need in water tests to evaluate.

All of the lenses you listed in the original port are designed to be used at 28mm (130 AOV) and shot from behind a flat port will not work with your 24-50. The WWL-C (not WWL-1C) is designed to work with lenses that have 24mm at (130 FOV) behind a flat port. If you look at the lens on the Nauticam page you will see that it was primarily designed for sub-full frame cameras like compacts with 24mm zooms and M43 and APS-C it also works with full frame but as Chris suggested would have the lowest image quality v. WWL-1B, WACP-C and so on.

First of all neither Marelux or Nauticam support the RF 24-50mm STM lens for use with WET WIDE lenses behind a flat 67mm port. This eliminates use with WWL-1/1B, Aquista 110 and 130. This lens does however work behind dome ports from 180mm or greater with the proper extension. The lens also works with wet wide lenses like WACP-C, WACP-1/1B and FCP-1 using the proper port extension and in some cases will not zoom through the entire zoom range. WACP-C and WACP-1/1B also work on Marelux housings with the NA to MX N120 and N100 port adapters. The best Canon RF lens for zooming through the entire range using wet wide lenses behind a flat port remains the 18-45mm. for APS-C.

So this is what I have been told so far, Marelux will release M43 housings for GH6/7 and OM-1/11. If you go to the Marelux.co web site you will see that both housings are large enough for the Flash Fuel 2100 battery package a combo extra battery and manual flash trigger and the port for the remote trigger. If you compare these two housings to FF and APS-C housings you will see that the port opening is smaller than the 5 inch (125mm) ports for the other MX housing's. Currently the new port size for M43 has not been announced and no port charts have been announced. I am sure that 67mm flat ports will be made and that they will accept Aquista 130 and 110 wet lenses and as such should also accept Nauticam bayonet mount for WWL-1B. The Marelux NA to MX adapters are N120 for WACP-1/2 and N100 for WACP-C. For WWL-1B and Aquista 130/110 they are interchangeable between brands so Aquista to NA with MX bayonet mount and WWL-1B to MX with NA bayonet mount. I have no idea when the ports will be released but it seems logical it would be when the housings are released.

Your information seems incorrect to me for at least two reasons, #1 if memory serves me right the Nauticam has three blades of equal size that slip into three slots of equal size on the mount. #2 When the lens is mounted and turned it is locked by a small vertical pin that depresses using the blue plastic lock to release the lens. The Marelux Aquista 110 and 130 lenses have two blades of equal size and a smaller blade. This design prevents you from installing the lens any way but correctly on the mount. The lock on the Marelux mount is on the side at 90 degrees to the NA lock and blocks the smaller blade from being able to turn. I don't have a WWL-1B to test but I would be very surprised if either lens would work and lock on the other manufactures mount.

Several mistakes in this response, First WWL-1B needs the Nauticam bayonet mount adapter NOT the Marelux mount for Aquista lenses. The NA-adapter will work on any of the Marelux flat ports with 67mm mount. With the Canon RF-S 18-45mm used with R50 you would use Marelux flat port 32 and have full zoom through in APS-C. With EF 16-35mm F/2.8 L III you need Marelux flat port 87+20mm extension NOT port 97. With Aquista 110 the same two port configurations are used except with the Marelux bayonet mount and they will also work with the Aquista 130. Also be aware that just like the Nauticam wet wide lenses the EF 16-35 will have a limited zoom range starting at 28mm, each of the lenses on the Aquista ports will start at 28mm and very depending on zoom range. Aquista lenses are now 130 & 110 to reflect the max AOV. Photos with the Aquista 130 prototype (no float collar) both full frame at 28mm and vertical at 44mm using the Sony 28-60mm, Marelux Apollo S stones in TTL. Paradise Reef, Bali Indonesia.

Nauticam WACP-1B has N100 and N120 port mounts so if you are concerned about the 3mm you could use the Marelux NA-N100 too Marelux 5" port adapter which is 17mm rather than 20mm. In the Sony system I also suspect that Marelux Aquista 130 and 110 will work with the Sony 28-70mm kit zoom using flat port 32 and a 20mm extension. Photos with the Aquista 130 prototype (no float collar) both full frame at 28mm and vertical at 44mm using the Sony 28-60mm, Marelux Apollo S stones in TTL. Paradise Reef, Bali Indonesia.

FCP is not a lens I have used so no first hand knowledge. I have however heard similar feedback from some that have used FCP. Perhaps a new thread should be started to hear others opinions.

The short answer is yes, also keep in mind that I found WWL-1B to be noticeable wider when used with the Marelux N100 to 5 inch, 17mm adapter. I have used Laowa 10 & 12mm, and at least four different versions of both 14mm and 14mm zooms that have all had better DOF. This is an issue I was discussing with a well known U/W photographer at DEMA who has compared fisheye water contact optics V. lenses like Canon 8-15mm in 140 to 230mm domes and he remarked that the differences are even greater with fisheyes. I have used 28-60/70 zooms and the 28mm F/2 and DOF at 28mm is about the same across all of the wet optics I have tried that are advertised to be 130 degrees. With WACP-2 you can use lenses up to 14mm and DOF then improves.

For the original poster, Alex I have used both the Sony 28-60 and 28-70 kit lenses with WACP-1 (native N120) and both also work with WACP-1B (native N100). The 28-70 uses an additional 20mm of extension, does not focus as fast as FE 26-60 and if you look at many land reviews the 28-60 out performs the 28-70. In real world use with water contact lenses you won't see large differences between the two lenses in terms of IQ. I don't think it's a big mystery that a kit lens introduced by Sony in 2021 would have improved over a Sony kit lens introduced in 2013. By the introduction of the WACP-C I had sold the 28-70 so can only comment on WACP-1, however I would expect results to be about the same. Since I rarely used the 70 or 60mm end of the lenses I don't miss the difference. Any comments from wet pixel you may have seen would I believe reference overall performance not just IQ. I have found best results with both lenses to be in the F/8 to F/11 range even though with full frame my normal starting point is F/13+/- I reviewed the WACP-C and both the WWL-1 and WWL-1B in past issues of UWPMAG.com. As a sidebar the first Nauticam wet wide lens I tested was the WWL-1 and I used the Sony 28mm F/2 lens for that review because 28-60mm was not yet released. Nauticam still offers an N100 32 flat port for that lens but it is not shown on the port charts for use with WWL-1/1B. Last what is hardly ever talked about when involved in a wet wide lens discussion regardless of brand is Depth Of Field. While many of these lenses advertise a 130 degree diagonal AOV it has become clear to me and many others who have used these lenses extensively that DOF is far less than what you get with a lens of the same 130 degree AOV behind a dome port. This became blatantly obvious to me when I tested the Laowa 10mm F/2.8 a 130 degree rectilinear lens against images taken with wet lenses of the same130 AOV.