I, personally, am not a compact camera UW photographer...

This camera looks to be an alternative to the common Sony and Canon compact cameras used UW?

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/9011490317/panasonic-l10-2026-tour-controls-changes

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Nauticam Announces Housing for the Panasonic Lumix L10

It is very similar to the LX100/LX100II. I had 10 yrs ago the LX100 and it was a very good compact camera for underwater use especially for video. I just hope the LX10 does not have the LX100 plague i.e. a non dustproof lens barrel as it was an expensive repair to have the sensor cleaned.

Interesting choice of name, which reminds me of the unmentioned Lumix LX10 which I still currently use for video. It's excellent for that (more practical than the LX100 series), within its limitations.
This new model seemed to have upped the game, at last:

It can shoot 4K video in either DCI or UHD aspect ratios at up to 120p, or 5.6K DCI-shaped video at up to 60p, or 4:3 'open gate' 5.2K footage at up to 60p.

The video modes make use of the same multi-aspect approach as stills modes do, so the 5.2K footage is taken from a much taller region of the sensor than the ∼17:9 5.6K video, making it tall enough to extract 2160 x 3840 (vertical 9:16 4K) crops, if you're using it to deliver both horizontal and vertical video from the same capture.

On the dust issue:

The original LX100 developed something of a reputation for sucking dust into its sensor, in part because pocket cameras tend to be carried and used in wide, varied and challenging conditions. Panasonic said they made efforts to reduce this risk with the Mark II, and we've heard fewer complaints from users of the newer model. No further claims were made about the L10, so it's likely to be worth remembering that it's not fully sealed (it has an extending zoom, after all), but shouldn't be as susceptible as the Mk 1 was.

It's a little video beast.

Basically it's the GH7 sensor in a smaller factor.

I read the lens has a MFD of only 3cm and it has a mech shutter..

It could be a killer compact camera for uw use. Nauticam announced a housing already.

9 hours ago, Davide DB said:

It's a little video beast.

Basically it's the GH7 sensor in a smaller factor.

I read the lens has a MFD of only 3cm and it has a mech shutter..

It could be a killer compact camera for uw use. Nauticam announced a housing already.

Yes - the lens is the same as the LX10 but faster! (24-75mm equiv. F1.7-2.8 lens) - I can reach macro and up with strong diopters on this (but the LX10 has a crop to 36mm in 4K, which helps), so this is good, even if it's not in the RX100 zoom category.
One major downside I see are ergonomics - they're similar to the LX100, which is not great...

As Backscatter once but it:
As attractive the LX100 Mk II is with it’s Micro 4/3 sensor, the controls are very frustrating. Especially when interfacing with the Nauticam housing. Panasonic made the controls more like a retro film camera, and not very conducive for us underwater shooters, and especially for video.

L10

LX100 Mk2


Design seems very similar, need to see how Nauticam handles it

As a reminder, the NA-LX100 housing turned out like this:


VS. this format for the NA-LX10


Still, very exciting news on the compact front these days, for a format which was declared dead and buried what, two years ago? 😁
We now have the highly modern Canon V1 and R50, the Sony RX1 RIII, and now this Panasonic L10 along the older RX100 / LX10 / LX100 / G7X of 10 years back. Wow.

If I wasn't on the FF path now I'd really consider a compact upgrade!

Edited May 23May 23 by bghazzal

8 hours ago, bghazzal said:

Design seems very similar, need to see how Nauticam handles it

Pietro Cremone of Nauticam Italy wrote about it days ago.

IMHO, this camera takes away any chance from mirrorless GoPros. It is a real camera with a mechanical shutter, and even though it is not video-oriented, it has DPAF and professional Panasonic codecs. Just like on the LX100, you will be able to mount the WWL.

I'm still dreaming of a new GM1 like camera. Now an used GM1 costs more than 10 years ago

I don't think it's a very relevant comparison to compare the L10 with the Gopro ILS because those are two vastly different products for different use and customers. You can compare it to a RX100 or any compact camera but action cam are not comparable to compact expert cameras. Action cam by default are not photo dedicated and have been since a long time consistently bad at replacing compact and smartphones for photos. And for video there are things that you easily do with an action cam that cannot be easily done with a compact and the opposite is also very true. Different tools for different jobs.

That being said, the LX100 mark I was called a baby GH4 at the time because of its good video performance. The L10 might be a baby GH7. I enjoyed a lot my time with the LX100 for several years of video before moving to the GH5s.

Edited May 23May 23 by eocean-eu

I agree with you, but I compared them because several people thought that just slapping an M43 lens on it would be enough and that they had created the perfect compact underwater camera. Nothing could be further from the truth.

59 minutes ago, Davide DB said:

I agree with you, but I compared them because several people thought that just slapping an M43 lens on it would be enough and that they had created the perfect compact underwater camera. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The entire setup (camera with Canon 8-15mm fisheye, rectilinear WA lens plus dome/wetlens or macro lens plus port) will be almost the same, no matter whether you mount a real (MFT) camera or the GoPro with its tiny sensor.

I find the GoPro with the fixed WA lens interesting for someone who wants a tiny UW camera, the interchangeable MFT lens version is too weak to use it UW as a system camera...

Here we are.

It's clear that Nauticam receive the specs and drawings in advance:

https://www.nauticam.com/products/na-l10-for-panasonic-lumix-l10-camera

This housing is very NA-LX100 looking (and there is an error during the product photoshoot with a Canon lens showing up along with some accessories).

Edited May 25May 25 by eocean-eu

The LX100 is actually a very capable video camera so I don't know why the Backscatter comment of frustrating. I have been using LX100 since it first came out, here is the result, white balance is a breeze, focus peaking to make sure things are focus:

The LX100 has advantage of adding a crop factor when shooting 4K video, I think the 75mm ended up about 95mm, combine with diopter (+5, +10, +15) you do get decent macro result (not enough for "shaun the sheep nudibranch" if you look at my other nudibranch video).

I made a stupid mistake of not removing the short port for a few weeks after diving so now the short port has fused together with my Nauticam housing, to the point that it's impossible to remove it.

So, L10........ It's an excellent replacement for the LX100 in the video department. Here is why:

• It has 5.6K and 4.4K 60-120fps capability, so you can punch in to get tighter view of the subject in post.

• Video quality of 10-bit 4:2:2 compare to the 8-bit 4:2:0 in the LX-100.

• The 5.6K and 4.4K video can compensate the lack of IBIS by using the workflow of adding "Senseflow + Gyroflow" processing by adding a goPro or use something else (let me know if you want me to explain that further).

The L10 is expensive (US$1500), so best to wait until it goes on sales. The Nauticam housing for L10 is US$2200, a bit steep but it should be able to use the same port from LX-100 (i.e. N50 system). So if you shot with LX-100 before, it's a good echo system to upgrade to.

The L10 is not weather seal and dust shouldn't an issue. With my LX-100, it either stays in a camera pouch or inside the Nauticam housing during dive trip. Anything on land, I just have my GH4 because it's more flexible for timelapse, attach ND/CPL filter and deal with different lens.

I live about 15 minutes away from Reef Photos, once they have the housing and camera in the shop around mid June, I will stop in to check it out in person and get answers about all the questions I have, such as which wide angle port to use now that there is no crop factor when shooting video.

2 hours ago, kc_moses said:

The LX100 is actually a very capable video camera so I don't know why the Backscatter comment of frustrating. I have been using LX100 since it first came out, here is the result, white balance is a breeze, focus peaking to make sure things are focus:

The LX100 has advantage of adding a crop factor when shooting 4K video, I think the 75mm ended up about 95mm, combine with diopter (+5, +10, +15) you do get decent macro result (not enough for "shaun the sheep nudibranch" if you look at my other nudibranch video).

I made a stupid mistake of not removing the short port for a few weeks after diving so now the short port has fused together with my Nauticam housing, to the point that it's impossible to remove it.

Ergonomics - This was from a discussion on whether to choose the LX100 series or the LX10.
The Lumix LX10 does all this but doesn't need short ports (see the housing pics), and the form factor is easier in the housing.

I've also been using the LX10 for a while and it's an amazing camera for video, within its limitations of course.
Crop to 36mm 4K on a 1" means you can reach macro and above with strong diopters (shaun the sheep are fine) - here are some LX10 clips of mine, with strong macro (hairy shrimps, turnicate shrimp, sea dragon or skeleton shrimp clips for instance).

On the LX10, I also I use the Inon UWL-H100 with the dome port for WA now, and it's fantastic (most of the wide clips were shot before I had the dome port for the wide lens), and have diopters and WA lens on a dual flip holder so can go from supermacro to wide on the same dive (in practice it's not so extreme, I just shoot medium to macro with the widelens as well and get closer with a +6 diopter, saving the +15 / CMC1 for truly macro focused dives, on which I don't bring the wide lens). The LX10's single 67mm threaded port is just very practical for a compact camera.

All this would be tricky on the LX100 given the port question. I also run Cine-D on the LX10 (sure the LX100 can handle it as well). If it had auto-ISO video mode, 10-bit colour and 4K60fps, it would be the perfect mini-GH5

Now this doesn't make the LX100 series or its L10 replacement bad at all (it does have a larger sensor than the LX10's 1", and the L10 tops both), they're all excellent, but between the two the LX10 was just more practical for video, which is why I went with it instead of the LX100 M2, and I do agree with Backscatter's comment.
The L10 is a fantastic looking camera, but camera ergonomics and housing are the same as the LX100 series, so it will face the same issues.
I would still definitely buy it as an upgrade to the L100 or LX10 though, but I'm on the full-frame path now.

One big question on all compact cameras for video is battery life. Compact form means not much space in the housing, and smaller batteries. I'm a total power-miser on the LX10, and have learned to make it last, but really looking forward to a little more headroom!

cheers

Edited Tuesday at 01:55 AM5 days by bghazzal

I remember on the LX100 I, I used to switch battery on every dive for video but more to make sure I don't run out of battery while diving.

A friend of mine was using the OG WWL-1 on it with great results.

Do you think that the L10 paired with a cmc-1 will be enough for a "Shaun the sheep" macro level? @kc_moses

I am still trying to understand all the new parameters (for me) mm, dioptres etc.. coming from GoPro, I never really cared about a lot of those spec 🫠

10 hours ago, Elvandar said:

Do you think that the L10 paired with a cmc-1 will be enough for a "Shaun the sheep" macro level? @kc_moses

I am still trying to understand all the new parameters (for me) mm, dioptres etc.. coming from GoPro, I never really cared about a lot of those spec 🫠

The answer is in the port charts, Nauticam publishes this data for all their wet lenses. The CMC-1 and L10 covers a field 33 x 25mm approx with the CMC-1 and working distance is 51-72mm. So a Shaun the sheep at maybe 3-4mm long will fill around 10% of the frame. With the working distance of 50mm, getting more magnification with other wet lenses will be a challenge as it will eat into working distance. Diopters work by allowing you to focus closer.

You can review the port chart to see what cameras allow more magnification - some of the Canon compacts will get you about 23x13 at similar working distance and the Sony RX100VII will get 16x10 at 90mm and even closer with more powerful diopters but lacks working room. The downside of the RX100 is the need to swap ports to get the best out of the lens with wet wide optics. The parameter here is the focal length of the lens, the longer the focal length the more working room and the higher the magnification with a given diopter.

If you really want some magnification you can't beat a interchangable lens camera, the olympus 60mm macro will cover 17x13mm without a diopter 10 x 7.6 with a CMC-2 with 30-93mm working room.

Port chart is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m9xE92aU7oWuZ5SohUoXAudpZSK_7EaX/view

10 hours ago, Elvandar said:

Do you think that the L10 paired with a cmc-1 will be enough for a "Shaun the sheep" macro level? @kc_moses

I am still trying to understand all the new parameters (for me) mm, dioptres etc.. coming from GoPro, I never really cared about a lot of those spec

I use the CMC-1 on a LX10, which has a crop in 4K - so the 24-72 mm equivalent lens becomes roughly 36-108 mm equivalent in when shooting 4K video.
It works great, and now that I have a flip adapter there is virtually no vignetting (40mm instead of 36mm).

However there's a catch: you will need to get close to your subjects, veeeeery close.
Shaun the Sheep and other nudis won't really mind, but other more reactive critters will, and lighting will also be tricky (not impossible, but takes a bit of getting used to). On the LX10, I shoot macro only in MF, using focus peaking.

These are the working distances I measured at different focal lengths with my diopters on the LX10 in 4K on the AOI double flip adapter I now use.
I tried to measure working distances at 36mm (choosing the minimal focal length to avoid vignetting otherwise), 50mm and 108mm equivalents, 4K, f/11.

Working Distances on the Lumix LX10, diopters mounted on an AOI double flip, 4K video

— NO DIOPTER f11

36mm

min: glass <10mm

max: infinity

50mm

min: 90mm

max: infinity / > 260mm

108mm

min: 170mm

max?

— AOI UCL05 LF +6 f11 (vignettes to 55mm)

55mm

min: 10mm

max: 450mm

108mm

min: 90mm

max: 200mm

— INON UCL165 +6 f11 (no vignette)

36mm

min: glass

max: infinity / >220mm

50mm

min: 30mm

max: 210mm

108mm

min: 75mm

max?

— AOI UCL09 +12.5 (vignettes to 55mm)

55mm min

min: 15mm

max: 90mm

108mm

min: 45mm

max: 88mm

— NAUTICAM CMC1 +15 (vignettes to 40mm)

40mm min

min: 5mm

max: 60mm

52mm

min: glass / 5mm

max: 60mm
108mm

min: 37mm

max: 54mm

As for some actuall examples of high magnification footage using the CMC-1 on the LX10, here a couple recent ones. if you know these critters it will give you an idea of the magnification range.
(I do have some Costasiella / Shaun the Sheep shots but nudis are not my favorite subjects for video, so I haven't done much with them. But yes, possible, at least on the LX10 with its cropped 4K - stills might be a little different). Need to see how this would work uncropped on the L10...

Hairy Shrimp and Skeleton Shrimp (CMC1, possibly stacked with a +6 on some shots, can't remember)

Green Turnicate Shrimp (really tiny - this was stacked CMC1 and +6)

Ryukyu Sea Dragon (same size as a Lembeh sea dragon)

Emperor Shrimps (slightly bigger subject)

Skeleton Shrimp and Juveniles (these are older shots, from my time in east Bali)

Hope this helps

cheers!

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by bghazzal

5 hours ago, bghazzal said:

use the CMC-1 on a LX10, which has a crop in 4K - so the 24-72 mm equivalent lens becomes roughly 36-108 mm equivalent in when shooting 4K video.
It works great, and now that I have a flip adapter there is virtually no vignetting (40mm instead of 36mm).

The L10 has a different sensor (many say it's the GH7 sensor) without extra crop:

f = 10.9 - 34mm

(24 - 75mm in 35mm equivalent in 4:3, 3:2, 16:9)

(28 - 88mm in 35mm equivalent in 1:1)

https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/lumix-digital-cameras/premium-compact-cameras/dc-l10.specs.html

This is what I got years ago with the LX100 (mark I) and CMC-1 I think on video. It's 4K that I cropped to Full HD and then stabilized.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by eocean-eu