Davide DB

Don't worry, try with your 120 first!

And while you're at it, draw a N85 cap for me too 😜

Jim I totally agree with you. Let me preface this by saying that I have been a Lumix user since the GF1 and I have had all the GH series camera bodies going into the water from the GH2 on. I have had the beautiful GX85 and also the G85. I now have a GH5 that I use for outdoor shooting and a GH5MKII for underwater shooting. I embraced the M43 system because the small size of the whole thing is functional for the kind of diving I do. I could have chosen Olympus but doing only video the Panasonic choice was obvious. I have occasionally used the old Sony A7S and the legendary Canon 5DMKII. I regret not having personally tried the latest Canon cinema cameras. I still remain of the opinion that for video the Lumix in general are always the most complete and user friendly cameras (in this market segment). The individual features may not be the best (AF ouch, ouch, ouch) but it is hard to find in a hobbyist level machine all the video-oriented features that Panasonic camera have. Now Sony and Canon have also adapted but looking back at the menus of the very old GH2, they were science fiction for the other brands in 2010. Despite this (I have come out 😇) I try to be objective and not be a Fan Boy. Even toward diving I have a very pragmatic approach: they are tools that allow me to achieve my goals and not the other way around. It is also true that by embracing one system then one becomes a victim of "lock-in" and it is difficult (except at great cost) to change systems or brands. I am convinced that crop sensors are more functional for underwater video. Full frame photography has overflowed into cinematography with the emergence of hybrid mirrorless cameras. A “photographic” camera that also does video but film history was made by S16 and S35 cameras and not FF. The diatribes between crop and FF formats that also plague this forum are all distorted by the fact that we are talking about photography and today everyone assumes that the same object you take pictures with, also does video. After this loooong introduction I will add some of my own considerations: Completely agree. More like they should have continued to develop two lines in parallel. A “micro” line with the original purpose of the M43 system in mind and then a line with more aggressive features where unfortunately size matters. Why wasn't this done? Probably because there wasn't enough money, market and companies make big mistakes as well Reading the forums, most M43 people are calling for just that: a compact rangefinder with PDAF that embodies the M43 spirit. I remember well that when the M43 system was trying to establish itself among professionals, the most frequent criticism was that the camera bodies were too small and uncomfortable to hold for hours during professional sessions. I would also add that you can't judge a book by its cover. So “big” is automatically PRO. Specifically for Panasonic there is also an important technical detail: the Lumix despite always having codecs and video processing at the highest level, they never overheated. Never, ever under any conditions. To this day all other brands are plagued by the problem of overheating. Incredible that the GH4 while filming in 4K had the exact same body as the GH3 filming in 1080p. Increasing performance, Panasonic was the first to introduce a mirrorless camera with a sealed internal fan (S1H). And indeed the S series is huge even for an FF. Long story short: If you want extreme video features, you probably have minimum dimensions to meet. Rumors say that we could have something similar to Fuji X100VI that is the camera of the year. I, too, think that a camera with these features would be an instant hit. The problem is that designing a camera from scratch is a long process, and perhaps a new current camera that is not an evolution of an existing one was designed at least three years ago. I am making this up, if anyone knows more about the time to market of these items please join in the discussion. In recent years the compact camera market has been zeroed out by smartphones, but now there is a trend toward compact rangefinder-style cameras that can be carried around with ease. Also a return to “vintage” and toward low resolution, perhaps fueled by influencers on social media. I was reading that old Fuji compact film cameras are going fast in Tokyo. The few stores that develop film say customers don't want prints but they ask for digital scans and are throwing away the negatives. They are attracted to the vintage, imperfect look of these little cameras. The return of Polaroids in other forms. We live in strange times.

Many years ago I went through this myself. for the housing, if you rinsed everything out and sprayed the vacuum circuit with contact cleaning fluid (isopropyl alcohol) and dried everything again, you can give it a try and turn it on and if it works you don't have to do anything else. Of course, I'm assuming that the flooding is due to your mistake.... for the camera and lens, I would say it is not worth it. Much depends on how the camera was flooded and if the battery left some liquid. When it happened to me, a Panasonic technician gave me precise instructions on how to proceed while specifying that the odds were very low. It sounds like a joke or a recipe for grandma's cake 😄 Soak camera and lens for several hours in distilled water taking care that the camera floods completely. Gently dry as much as possible with compressed air . Leave in a ventilated kitchen oven at about 40 to 50°C overnight. Yes it is possible with the oven at home. Put camera and lens under vacuum with one of those machines and bags and for home vacuum. Send everything to service. Distilled water removes as much salt as possible from circuits. Oven dries and vacuum retards oxidation of electrical circuits. The recipe was perfect but the cake not so much 😑 The lens was junk, and Panasonic offered me a reconditioned lens at a bargain price. The camera body was repairable at an acceptable price but it took three shipments to service before everything worked. In Italy Panasonic and Nikon service is handled by one company and they had offered Panasonic to give me a reconditioned camera body but Panasonic refused and in the end the repairs cost them more than me. Long story short: it's not worth it. You can, however try drying it at home in the oven and try turning it on.

So we are famous in Lembeh 😁

I know people who use it and particularly with an A7RIV. When you change the camera you have to change the electronic circuit that controls the camera at a price usually around 500 euros. IIRC you don't have 100 percent complete camera control but for extra features you have the ability to access the menus in a non-intuitive way. In short you have the advantage of being able to change the camera while keeping the housing but you certainly don't have the immediacy of mechanical controls. A friend of mine had the old version for 15 years changing 3 camera bodies. For the ports I can't tell you the quality of the Easydive ones. The users I know all use old Igloo/Underwave crystal ports that are compatible. But maybe the old Isotta Igloo and Easydive ports had a common system. I am too young. I'll give you other info asap

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IIUC Sony UK and USA give different replies? What a mess! If enough users are affected by the problem, one must hope that they can coordinate with each other through some kind of class action or legal action.

I am not getting into the M34/APSC/FF diatribe. I am overjoyed with the features offered by M43 systems. So far, my personal limitations have always exceeded those of the cameras I have used.

My sweet spot is about -500g but I have and integrated tripod that is less stable than @bghazzal solution. Don't miss the this thread for other smart solutions. Ciao

You could rent one of these cameras during the weekend and getting some feeling with them. P.S. Don't underestimate Nikon. A Z8 is a video beast. Sooner or later Panasonic will introduce the new FF flagship with DPAF and everything. Watch out because as a user experience, features and codecs they have always been the most complete cameras. Nice times ahead

Tell us more about the logistic. Do you go there, drill a hole and dive for yourself? 🤣 Safety measures?

Congratulations Alex! Beautiful shots and camera movements. The lighting effects are outstanding!

For Canon colors underwater I totally agree with you. Canon was the one that had a MWB and the most pleasing colors in underwater shooting. Now that is no longer the case. [rant mode on] I am sorry to see how 99% of the threads focus only on purely technical aspects and we all become pixel peepers. One forgets that cameras are not automatic drones but there is always a person using it and the purely artistic aspects of a video or photograph are neglected or almost taken for granted. In short I reiterate my signature. [rant mode off] In this regard I would like to mention that two very good video makers like Marcelo Johan Ogata (https://www.bugdreamer.com/) and Alex del Olmo (https://naucratesuw.com/) have been using a GH5 for years. Hard to say that their MWBs or colors were not up to the mark. There is always a person behind the camera. Now BugDreamer uses a RED V-Raptor and Naucrates a Canon C70. You mentioned the R5 and R5C, and in my opinion the C70 is missing from the roll call. It is an S35 cinema camera absolutely not to be underestimated. I point you to this follow-up review published a few days ago by CVP, a rent cinema company that produces very accurate and unbiased reviews. You could find old comparison and review about all of these cameras. I also point out this YouTube channel. IMHO this is a talented guy in both editing and color grading. His older videos are shot with a Canon 1DX then he used a A7SIII, a C70 and an R5. Canon colors in all their glory. For the R5 whose MK2 is rumored soon.... Initially, it had the well-known overheating problems (deliberately ignored by all the biased YT influencers) but then finally Canon largely solved them with subsequent firmware upgrades. I know at least one professional filmmaker who uses it in a Seacam housing as B cam along with a C500 MKII and the quality is insane. What to choose? I don't know but again it may be best to wait a few months, if not 2025. We all read the rumor sites and Canon has registered 5 new cameras with two of them soon to be released. I would stay in the window. P.S. Once the new cameras come out, there is also a chance to get some good deals in the used market...

Knowing where this thread comes from, or rather, because of what it comes from, I'll get straight to the point. You already come from the top-of-the-line Sony hybrid mirrorless. Speaking of other brands... RED It is perhaps one of the most widely used cameras in wildlife documentaries including underwater ones. Sony A7SIII are seen occasionally as B cams. Lately I saw Sony Burano or Venice in some BBC productions. Switching to RED, even considering only the cheaper Komodo X, is a huge financial leap. Not only for the camera body and housing but also for all the accessories that come with it. These are cameras that were created for cinema and therefore lack a whole series of features that are considered almost standard in the consumer market but in cinema are not, quite the contrary. (***) Autofocus in theory yes but in reality you have a basic AF only with Canon lens. Nothing like AF that current mirrorless users are used to. Let's not talk about Sony users. See this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEUDXliF-Us Even if the economic factor is not important, in my opinion there is another factor to keep in mind. As you know RED has just been bought by Nikon, and as much as both parties have made statements aimed at reassuring users and investors, it is unclear what will happen a year from now. Speculations range from "Nikon will take all the technologies and patents and goodbye RED" to the opposite: "A RED with all the Nikon technologies will come out soon, as Nikon wants to enter the film market." This is actually quite complicated. RED had sued Nikon for patent infringement regarding the compressed RAW format, and shortly after an unspecified settlement, Nikon bought RED. Just think that RED uses EF and RF mounts precisely because in return Canon was allowed to use the compressed RAW format. A fair exchange many say. But Canon is a competitor of Nikon. Many have wondered if at some future time the deal will be cancelled. Certainly in the future we will see REDs offered with native Z-mount. In short in my opinion by buying a RED now you risk seeing your investment depreciate in the short term. *** Edit: I correct myself, or explain myself better. Surely you can use a Single AF and focus on the subject and then try to stay as hyperfocal as possible. Pretty much what I've always done with my Panasonic. I don't know your style of filming. Some people use CAF and the camera may follow the subject. I don't think the CAF RED is as reliable in water. It would be interesting to get feedback from @Alex B who has long since switched to a RED Komodo.

According to Canon rumors a R5II is expected this month. Why don't you open a new thread on this? 😉

I am really very, very sorry. I read so many comments on the net of people with the same problem but it is hard to say what percentage are affected by the problem. Of course it is strange that an update would put so many pre-existing HW failures and all at the connectivity module. Sony is no stranger to such behavior and generally these giants only move if users unite in some way or fear reputation damage. I too have had similar problems in the past with Panasonic Italy. As expensive as they are and as professional as they are, these cameras are aimed at the consumer market and this is the way they do things. I would not expect different behavior from other companies.

I film with a completely different system: MFT but this association is similar. I use the kit lens with the flat port. A 14-42mm (FF 28-84mm) to which I attach WWL-1B for wide angle or a CMC-2 for macro. I never thought of removing the WWL in water. Too dangerous for the diving I do but I know some do on shallow bottoms that allow it. I use the CMC-2 with a flip adapter. This is a great setup to have more flexibility and not be tied exclusively to macro. With just the 14-42mm I can take portraits of fish or even small whole fish or corals and by adding the CMC I can switch to macro. However, there is one small detail to keep in mind (which I admit I missed at first). With an additional macro wet lens you can focus only in the small specific range of the lens (80-120mm for the CMC-2 in this configuration). So it's not like having an actual macro lens that allows you to focus (in theory) at any distance. Maybe my point is superfluous and may not be a limitation. It depends on the type of subjects being photographed/filmed. When I want to engage in macro I prefer to mount my 45mm Leica (90mm FF) and optional CMC-2 on flip adapter. P.S. Of course as @RVBldr wrote, Murphy's law is always lurking and a GPO always appears when you have the wrong lens. In my experience here in Italy, never never never mount macro lenses in the spring. A one meter anglerfish waits calmly for you expecting an entire photogrammetry session to take it all in 😁 A 4K frame of her, taken with the 45mm PanaLeica.

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Phil testing the Laowa 10mm on split shots... 😄

In my fifties I went from total black to black with some other color. I put it down to my midlife crisis 😉