18 hours ago, Interceptor121 said:

Where are the plenty of 200 euro 4TB? I have not found any of comparable class

 

And there are no rugged enclosures either there are USB 3.2 at £15 and if you want USB 4 to outclass you need to spend £150

 

You are looking at £200-220 for a non rugged cheap enclosure with an SATA 3 NVME vs £280 for a Samsung T7 Shield. I bought one of those last year and ended up throttled for temperature control. Better units cost £230 add £15 you have £245 vs £280 rugged no brainer for me

 

There you go. List pulled using comparison engines like Geizhals and Idealo. Note that prices were actually lower in some cases in last weeks. However according to industry rumors NAND prices might see 20-50% price hike this year, hence it could be prices are slowly rising.
List is by no means exhaustive nor takes into account any periodic deals that are often present on SSD market.

 

Reference Samsung T7 4TB, USB 3.2 10Gbps - 239 Euro
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SSD Internal around 200 Euro, PCIe 4.0, 7000MB/s speeds (when using full M.2 NVMe interface)
-------------------------------------------------------
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
Innovation IT PerformanceY Heatsink PCIe 4.0 4TB - 203 Euro (Note that heatsink is included)
Kingston NV2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD 4TB - 215 Euro
Lexar NM790 NVMe PCIe 4.0 4TB, M.2  - 225 Euro
Patriot Viper VP4300 Lite PCIe 4.0 4TB - 235 Euro
Verbatim Vi7000G PCIe 4.0 4TB - 239 Euro
TeamGroup Cardea Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 245 Euro (Note that heatsink is included)

 

SSD External USB 3.2 Gen 2×2,

All offer  USB 3.2 Gen 2×2 with a maximum theoretical speed of 20Gbps. Their Read/Write speeds are generally described as "up to ~2050 MB/s or so"
----------------------------------------
LaCie Rugged Mini Portable SSD   - 363 Euro
Crucial X10 Pro - 329 Euro
ADATA SE880    - 195 Euro (*2TB version, no 4TB version available)
Kingston XS2000  -   318 Euro
Transcend ESD380C -    276 Euro

 

 

USB 3.2 Enclosures - 10Gbps
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Sabrent EC-WPNE, USB 3.2 - 35 Euro, rated IP 67

RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1817M-C31 - 26 Euro

 

USB-C 3.2 2x2 Enclosures - 20 Gbps
---------------------------------------------------
RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1916M-C32 - 44 Euro
DeLOCK USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 External Enclosure - 70 Euro
Lindy USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure - 78 Euro
SilverStone MS12 - 56 Euro

 

Note that I am not finding much about rugedness info about those (short of Sabrent), though they do appear beefy enough, especially given there are no mechanical parts in SSD,

 

USB-C 4 - 40Gbps

 

While these are rather scarce at the moment, with USB 4 standard still being new, there are some choices. I was also able to find an actual USB 4 SSD as well:

 

SSD External USB 4:
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ADATA SE920 - 329 Euro (*2TB version, no 4TB version available)

 

USB 4 Enclosures:
---------------------------------------------------
DeLOCK USB4 40 Gbps External Enclosure - 183 Euro
Yottamaster USB4 - 109 Euro
Targus HyperDrive Next USB4 NVMe SSD Enclosure - 105 Euro - appears to be rated IP55
Satechi USB4 NVMe SSD Pro Enclosure - 119 USD (not listed yet in DE; price from Satechi website)

 

You can of course add more to the list, if you venture more into Aliexpress territory.

 

 

So say I am going for USB 3.2, 10Gbps, cheapest possible:

 

Sabrent EC-WPNE, USB 3.2 - 35 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
-----
Total 224 Euro. Still less than T7. Better protection too.

 

USB 3.2 2x2, 20Gbps version:

 

RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1916M-C32 - 44 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
-----

Total 233 Euro. Still less than T7. And 2x speeds. Cheapest comparable - Transcend ESD380C , 276 Euro

 

USB 4:

Targus HyperDrive Next USB4 NVMe SSD Enclosure - 105 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro

-----
Total 294 Euro. Finally we are over T7 price. And at 3x T7 speeds. Cheapest comparable - does not exist, other than 2TB version of ADATA SE920 at 329 Euro.

 

1 hour ago, makar0n said:

 

There you go. List pulled using comparison engines like Geizhals and Idealo. Note that prices were actually lower in some cases in last weeks. However according to industry rumors NAND prices might see 20-50% price hike this year, hence it could be prices are slowly rising.
List is by no means exhaustive nor takes into account any periodic deals that are often present on SSD market.

 

Reference Samsung T7 4TB, USB 3.2 10Gbps - 239 Euro
-------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
SSD Internal around 200 Euro, PCIe 4.0, 7000MB/s speeds (when using full M.2 NVMe interface)
-------------------------------------------------------
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
Innovation IT PerformanceY Heatsink PCIe 4.0 4TB - 203 Euro (Note that heatsink is included)
Kingston NV2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD 4TB - 215 Euro
Lexar NM790 NVMe PCIe 4.0 4TB, M.2  - 225 Euro
Patriot Viper VP4300 Lite PCIe 4.0 4TB - 235 Euro
Verbatim Vi7000G PCIe 4.0 4TB - 239 Euro
TeamGroup Cardea Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 245 Euro (Note that heatsink is included)

 

SSD External USB 3.2 Gen 2×2,

All offer  USB 3.2 Gen 2×2 with a maximum theoretical speed of 20Gbps. Their Read/Write speeds are generally described as "up to ~2050 MB/s or so"
----------------------------------------
LaCie Rugged Mini Portable SSD   - 363 Euro
Crucial X10 Pro - 329 Euro
ADATA SE880    - 195 Euro (*2TB version, no 4TB version available)
Kingston XS2000  -   318 Euro
Transcend ESD380C -    276 Euro

 

 

USB 3.2 Enclosures - 10Gbps
---------------------------------------------------
Sabrent EC-WPNE, USB 3.2 - 35 Euro, rated IP 67

RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1817M-C31 - 26 Euro

 

USB-C 3.2 2x2 Enclosures - 20 Gbps
---------------------------------------------------
RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1916M-C32 - 44 Euro
DeLOCK USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 External Enclosure - 70 Euro
Lindy USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure - 78 Euro
SilverStone MS12 - 56 Euro

 

Note that I am not finding much about rugedness info about those (short of Sabrent), though they do appear beefy enough, especially given there are no mechanical parts in SSD,

 

USB-C 4 - 40Gbps

 

While these are rather scarce at the moment, with USB 4 standard still being new, there are some choices. I was also able to find an actual USB 4 SSD as well:

 

SSD External USB 4:
---------------------------------------------------
ADATA SE920 - 329 Euro (*2TB version, no 4TB version available)

 

USB 4 Enclosures:
---------------------------------------------------
DeLOCK USB4 40 Gbps External Enclosure - 183 Euro
Yottamaster USB4 - 109 Euro
Targus HyperDrive Next USB4 NVMe SSD Enclosure - 105 Euro - appears to be rated IP55
Satechi USB4 NVMe SSD Pro Enclosure - 119 USD (not listed yet in DE; price from Satechi website)

 

You can of course add more to the list, if you venture more into Aliexpress territory.

 

 

So say I am going for USB 3.2, 10Gbps, cheapest possible:

 

Sabrent EC-WPNE, USB 3.2 - 35 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
-----
Total 224 Euro. Still less than T7. Better protection too.

 

USB 3.2 2x2, 20Gbps version:

 

RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1916M-C32 - 44 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
-----

Total 233 Euro. Still less than T7. And 2x speeds. Cheapest comparable - Transcend ESD380C , 276 Euro

 

USB 4:

Targus HyperDrive Next USB4 NVMe SSD Enclosure - 105 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro

-----
Total 294 Euro. Finally we are over T7 price. And at 3x T7 speeds. Cheapest comparable - does not exist, other than 2TB version of ADATA SE920 at 329 Euro.

 

Mac ports only work at 10 Gbps or USB 4 so I gnore any intermediate 2x2 do not work so I do not consider them

 

External 10 Gbps all more obscure and more expensive than the Samsung T7 Shield and you are not sure how rugged they are. You have things that are more and things that are less expensive which is normal

 

What is the point you want to make exactly?

 

Crucial has a reasonably priced 4 tb ssd. It’s tiny. Check it out on Amazon. 

35 minutes ago, Eric Hanauer said:

Crucial has a reasonably priced 4 tb ssd. It’s tiny. Check it out on Amazon. 

costs more than the samsung here crucial x10 is rugged but not as rugged and currently is £50 more

By the way this was an example I am not here to recommend samsung or else nor I care what other people want to buy 

Some of this items go up and down in price and the situation changes continuously

The only point that was worth making was:

1. Mac storage is expensive

2. You can get external storage

3. Performance is sufficient

4. You can also get larger than 2 TB if you have a large library

 

How you want to solve this to your benefit is up to you

3 hours ago, makar0n said:

 

There you go. List pulled using comparison engines like Geizhals and Idealo. Note that prices were actually lower in some cases in last weeks. However according to industry rumors NAND prices might see 20-50% price hike this year, hence it could be prices are slowly rising.
List is by no means exhaustive nor takes into account any periodic deals that are often present on SSD market.

 

Reference Samsung T7 4TB, USB 3.2 10Gbps - 239 Euro
-------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
SSD Internal around 200 Euro, PCIe 4.0, 7000MB/s speeds (when using full M.2 NVMe interface)
-------------------------------------------------------
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
Innovation IT PerformanceY Heatsink PCIe 4.0 4TB - 203 Euro (Note that heatsink is included)
Kingston NV2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD 4TB - 215 Euro
Lexar NM790 NVMe PCIe 4.0 4TB, M.2  - 225 Euro
Patriot Viper VP4300 Lite PCIe 4.0 4TB - 235 Euro
Verbatim Vi7000G PCIe 4.0 4TB - 239 Euro
TeamGroup Cardea Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 245 Euro (Note that heatsink is included)

 

SSD External USB 3.2 Gen 2×2,

All offer  USB 3.2 Gen 2×2 with a maximum theoretical speed of 20Gbps. Their Read/Write speeds are generally described as "up to ~2050 MB/s or so"
----------------------------------------
LaCie Rugged Mini Portable SSD   - 363 Euro
Crucial X10 Pro - 329 Euro
ADATA SE880    - 195 Euro (*2TB version, no 4TB version available)
Kingston XS2000  -   318 Euro
Transcend ESD380C -    276 Euro

 

 

USB 3.2 Enclosures - 10Gbps
---------------------------------------------------
Sabrent EC-WPNE, USB 3.2 - 35 Euro, rated IP 67

RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1817M-C31 - 26 Euro

 

USB-C 3.2 2x2 Enclosures - 20 Gbps
---------------------------------------------------
RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1916M-C32 - 44 Euro
DeLOCK USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 External Enclosure - 70 Euro
Lindy USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure - 78 Euro
SilverStone MS12 - 56 Euro

 

Note that I am not finding much about rugedness info about those (short of Sabrent), though they do appear beefy enough, especially given there are no mechanical parts in SSD,

 

USB-C 4 - 40Gbps

 

While these are rather scarce at the moment, with USB 4 standard still being new, there are some choices. I was also able to find an actual USB 4 SSD as well:

 

SSD External USB 4:
---------------------------------------------------
ADATA SE920 - 329 Euro (*2TB version, no 4TB version available)

 

USB 4 Enclosures:
---------------------------------------------------
DeLOCK USB4 40 Gbps External Enclosure - 183 Euro
Yottamaster USB4 - 109 Euro
Targus HyperDrive Next USB4 NVMe SSD Enclosure - 105 Euro - appears to be rated IP55
Satechi USB4 NVMe SSD Pro Enclosure - 119 USD (not listed yet in DE; price from Satechi website)

 

You can of course add more to the list, if you venture more into Aliexpress territory.

 

 

So say I am going for USB 3.2, 10Gbps, cheapest possible:

 

Sabrent EC-WPNE, USB 3.2 - 35 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
-----
Total 224 Euro. Still less than T7. Better protection too.

 

USB 3.2 2x2, 20Gbps version:

 

RaidSonic Icy Box IB-1916M-C32 - 44 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro
-----

Total 233 Euro. Still less than T7. And 2x speeds. Cheapest comparable - Transcend ESD380C , 276 Euro

 

USB 4:

Targus HyperDrive Next USB4 NVMe SSD Enclosure - 105 Euro
Emtec X400-10 SSD Power Pro PCIe 4.0 4TB - 189 Euro

-----
Total 294 Euro. Finally we are over T7 price. And at 3x T7 speeds. Cheapest comparable - does not exist, other than 2TB version of ADATA SE920 at 329 Euro.

 

Nice list thanks for posting. 

 

I have the Sabrent EC-WPNE with a SABRENT 2TB Rocket Nvme M.2 2280

 

Was just under 200.00 USD amazon. I like the fact that I can swap out later for larger using the same case. that is IP67. 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, RichN said:

Nice list thanks for posting. 

 

I have the Sabrent EC-WPNE with a SABRENT 2TB Rocket Nvme M.2 2280

 

Was just under 200.00 USD amazon. I like the fact that I can swap out later for larger using the same case. that is IP67. 

 

 

 

I used one of those enclosures with a crucial NvME SSD

 

After some entusiasm I notice that it was slowing down when processing video files. It turns out that even if the enclosure was coooled the drive was throttling as it has its own temperature management that does not speak to the enclosure well

The throttled speed in my case was slower than my external 7200 RPM

Other accidents (that happen also with the sabrent EC-WPNE you have is that when use monitor the enclosure find out with in most constellation it is not outputting more than 5 Gbps

 

After this misadventure I decided to buy an external SSD that had been bench tested instead of running my own compatibility experiments. Fortunately I was able to return the enclosure and SSD as I found out immediately but if I was not doing a video project I would have never found out

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Interceptor121 said:

I used one of those enclosures with a crucial NvME SSD

 

After some entusiasm I notice that it was slowing down when processing video files. It turns out that even if the enclosure was coooled the drive was throttling as it has its own temperature management that does not speak to the enclosure well

The throttled speed in my case was slower than my external 7200 RPM

Other accidents (that happen also with the sabrent EC-WPNE you have is that when use monitor the enclosure find out with in most constellation it is not outputting more than 5 Gbps

 

After this misadventure I decided to buy an external SSD that had been bench tested instead of running my own compatibility experiments. Fortunately I was able to return the enclosure and SSD as I found out immediately but if I was not doing a video project I would have never found out

 

 

 

Thanks.. good to know. I do little video and working great performance wise for my use. 

 

 

 

The Studio has arrived and has been put to use today

For underwater photos the thing does not even blink

I am glad I put 64GB today I processed 72x32 Megapixels focus stack in photoshop. It fills up a lot of memory but does not write to disk cache

Aligning seems to be harder than stacking overall I can see a significant improvement especially in the import

I will see how it goes with denoise features

On 1/12/2024 at 1:32 PM, Interceptor121 said:

The Studio has arrived and has been put to use today

For underwater photos the thing does not even blink

I am glad I put 64GB today I processed 72x32 Megapixels focus stack in photoshop. It fills up a lot of memory but does not write to disk cache

Aligning seems to be harder than stacking overall I can see a significant improvement especially in the import

I will see how it goes with denoise features

Have you or will you do you plan to try it with 4k60p RAW?  My macbook air M2 can handle anything but RAW without a problem and wondering if a studio is enough to grade prores RAW without going the proxy route.