GoPro 13

[Davide DB]

It seems that some photos of the upcoming GoPro 13 leaked online.

The new version should be unveiled in the next few week.

 

Come gentlemen come.

Another round, another race!

 

 

https://photorumors.com/2024/08/15/gopro-hero-13-camera-leaked-online/

 

[canislupus]

1 hour ago, Davide DB said:

It seems that some photos of the upcoming GoPro 13 leaked online.

The new version should be unveiled in the next few week.

 

Come gentlemen come.

Another round, another race!

 

 

https://photorumors.com/2024/08/15/gopro-hero-13-camera-leaked-online/

 

 

Now I have Gopro 11, I think I’ll wait for Gopro 20 at least😅

[bghazzal]

I'm sure the GoPro 14 will be better anyway 😁

[Davide DB]

 

It seems more squared than the 11/12 moreover they added some kind of heat sink.

 

 

 

Maybe the Gopro 20 will be like that:

 

 

 

 

Jokes apart, we don't know anything about its HW specs. The optional macro lens is the most interesting thing. We will se if it will be backward compatible and eventually compatible with some uw housing somehow.

 

P.S

In a few week we will have the latest DJI Osmo 5 too...

 

 

[Nikolausz]

We should not forget that DJI will release the OSMO Action 5Pro soon, so the race is still opened

Edited August 16 by Nikolausz

[bghazzal]

15 hours ago, Davide DB said:

It seems more squared than the 11/12 moreover they added some kind of heat sink.

(...)
We will se if it will be backward compatible and eventually compatible with some uw housing somehow.

 

P.S

In a few week we will have the latest DJI Osmo 5 too...

 

 

You mean like that expensive AOI UH-GPx  that came out a few months back and some devotees have just invested in? 😅

It definitely looks like a heavy housing upgrade is unavoidable, so let's see how this is handled...

 

Seriously, even with the best R&D department in the world, there's no way a reasonable company can keep churning out well-designed models at such a yearly rate...
Call me grumpy, but it's ridiculous, and feels like it's more aimed at getting notification pings on social marketing media and surfing on FOMO than anything serious...

 

DJI is more quiet (and a little slower on the update front), and importantly seems to be digging a little deeper on the technical side (as in potentially more useful features than gimmicks?) with its new line of products, which is slightly more reassuring.

 

I wish someone would drop the "action" side together and just provide a small rugged waterproof camera with manual white-balancing options and basic focal adjustment options.
Or just bring revive the compacts with a little waterproofing 😉

 

 

Edited August 17 by bghazzal

[Davide DB]

In an endless race it seems that the release date was chosen to try to dampen the enthusiasm for the release of the new DJI action camera.

We will see if I am proven wrong by the new releases but I believe that in some ways we have now reached a technical limit in these cameras and without a radical change in design, we will only have incremental improvements but nothing revolutionary.

Insta has gone to the 1" sensor with 8K and this seems to be a physical limitation for a fixed focus camera. Already the Insta is borderline: users have noticed that at the arm lenght distance (classic v-log) the camera is slightly out of focus and the solution is to apply a diopter. Perhaps this is why DJI and Gopro have not moved to 1" already. They should change the lens design.

If we think about it, today any high-end phone has a photo section that is light years ahead of any action camera but also ahead of many mirrorless cameras (fortunately for many brands, Samsung years ago decided to get out of the photo market, considered too niche by the Korean giant). It is normal to have phones with multiple 1" lenses and PDAF l, tracking etc. All mid- to high-end phones make use of computational photography. This is another area where there will be big news in the future.

 

Imagine the photo section of an iPhone/Galaxy enclosed in an action camera style case.

The revolution goes from there.

[eLzUb]

I hope GoPro will come out with something to get better video in low light, could be larger sensor, some magic by software or whatever… and keep compatibility with accessories as case and mount.

 

otherwise I will just wait the upcoming new mount for insta and dji to use wide and macro lenses…

 

[Davide DB]

See you tomorrow 🫣

 

[hellhole]

looks like they made some changes to help with the overheating...

 

the lens are intresting... 

 

for uw... probably same same... as long as the size is the same...

Edited September 4 by hellhole

[bghazzal]

Regarding the lenses, I found this 2021 underwater footage shot on a DJI Pocket2 with an anamorphic lens:
 

 

the other two, Macro and Wide lenses have their uses, sure.
 

The wide lens helps with corner distortions which plagues GoPros since the GoPro5 fov/lens upgrade and with closeups.
And  shooting UW macro on a GoPro - while certainly possible - is really not ideal (there's a reason GoPro macro video hasn't exploded since Backscatter launched their otherwise excellent macro diopter for action cameras, the MacroMate mini  , some 7+ years ago...).

But I'm not really convinced anamorphic lenses will revolutionize UW video shooting...

Edited September 4 by bghazzal

[hellhole]

seems the housing is the same... phew...

[Davide DB]

8 hours ago, bghazzal said:

Regarding the lenses, I found this 2021 underwater footage shot on a DJI Pocket2 with an anamorphic lens:
 

 

 

This video is from our member @Tobyone 😇

[hellhole]

if anyone has the gopro hero13...

i know that with the new macro lens.. you can turn on focus peaking... 

 

can you turn on focus peaking without the macro lens?  i hope the answer is yes. i think it should be a yes... as AOI has a housing that uses the media mod that is able to have focus peaking displayed...

 

i want some confirmation!!! till i get mine... hahah

Edited September 9 by hellhole

[bghazzal]

Wow - Focus peaking on a GoPro, now that's actually something very useful for UW macro!

Main issue is that you won't be able to manually adjust focus (unless something has been designed for UW, this is usually touch-screen territory), but havinf a visual reference of the focus point on the screen is already great, since based on my experience with the macromate mini it's difficult to guestimate focus on these tiny cameras.
 

Then you would probably need a bigger screen like the AOI housing for it to be useable, but good stuff there for once!

For the AOI focus peaking, I'm not sure it uses the media mod for that - I had understood that it was the screen itself which had focus peaking, RGB histogram, waveform, vector scope and monochrome.

The one thing I wonder about the gopro macro lens is how it will work with underwater housings? Also if it can't be used in a housing, will it be possible to use the gopro macro mode (with peaking) with another macro lens designed for UW use, such as the AOI ?

Edited September 9 by bghazzal

[Elvandar]

2 hours ago, hellhole said:

if anyone has the gopro hero13...

i know that with the new macro lens.. you can turn on focus peaking... 

 

can you turn on focus peaking without the macro lens?  i hope the answer is yes. i think it should be a yes... as AOI has a housing that uses the media mod that is able to have focus peaking displayed...

 

i want some confirmation!!! till i get mine... hahah

 

Another sofware update.... and i bet they will have an excuse to not bring it to the previous model, even if the processor is always the same...
 

[Elvandar]

4 hours ago, hellhole said:

if anyone has the gopro hero13...

i know that with the new macro lens.. you can turn on focus peaking... 

 

can you turn on focus peaking without the macro lens?  i hope the answer is yes. i think it should be a yes... as AOI has a housing that uses the media mod that is able to have focus peaking displayed...

 

i want some confirmation!!! till i get mine... hahah

Another video, I got the answer, bad news:

[hellhole]

Oh bugger... maybe will have to chat with the labs folks to see if we can turn it on without the lens

[bghazzal]

2 hours ago, hellhole said:

Oh bugger... maybe will have to chat with the labs folks to see if we can turn it on without the lens

From what I read/understood the camera has a sensor detecting which lens, which overides any settings (incuding protune) and sets lens-compatible settings.
If this is mechanical (say a a sort of gasket), there might be a way to trick the camera into thinking the lens is on, but there's no way of knowing if gopro dedicated macro lens settings will work with a 3rd party macro lens designed for UW use like the AOI lenses.
 

[Elvandar]

4 hours ago, bghazzal said:

From what I read/understood the camera has a sensor detecting which lens, which overides any settings (incuding protune) and sets lens-compatible settings.
If this is mechanical (say a a sort of gasket), there might be a way to trick the camera into thinking the lens is on, but there's no way of knowing if gopro dedicated macro lens settings will work with a 3rd party macro lens designed for UW use like the AOI lenses.
 

 

I think the focus peaking is just a software thing, it just compare where there is more contrast in the image.

It is useless when the GoPro is used without any lens, but for who uses existing third party macro accessory, it would be a good feature, since the shallow depth of field.

We will see if they decide to block the feature behind the GoPro 13 paywall, with only GoPro accessory, for now there is no new standard or Labs firmware update for GoPro 11/12, and there is still no GoPro Labs for GoPro 13.

[hellhole]

not in our context... as in the housing... we can add lens of the macro kind.. with focus peaking... i can sort of tell how my focus is going on with my image... with a bigger screen like AOI housing is good. but i can without it... 

 

i think that would translate to wide angle too

Edited September 10 by hellhole

[bghazzal]

The screen incorporate in the AOI housing has focus peaking (handled by the screen), so it's possible to have focus peaking with an UW macro lens like the AOI if one has the AOI housing with incorporated screen, so this is a work around.

Otherwise on the GoPro itself, it's autodetect dependent, and overides all presets (including protune)





GoPro has indicated that their macro lens, while waterproof is not for use underwater

 

It would be great if it could be enabled without the Go Pro macro lens on to use with other 3rd party links

 

People already brought this up in 2022...

https://community.gopro.com/s/question/0D53b00008XudbLCAR/focus-peaking?language=en_US
 

Edited September 10 by bghazzal

[Elvandar]

The AOI Housing is 1500$, I don't think is comparable for having the feature in camera, and not considerable a workaround.

[bghazzal]

17 hours ago, Elvandar said:

The AOI Housing is 1500$, I don't think is comparable for having the feature in camera, and not considerable a workaround.

I wholeheartedly agree - but practically, using focus peaking for macro on a screen as small as the gopro's might be an issue underwater, don't you think?

I say this because my LX10 compact has a bigger screen and I use an RGB screen magnifier along with my +3 underwater readers to make up for the lack of external screen options when shooting macro with focus peaking, and that's already something... 😁

But maybe I'm just old and need new eyes, and the tiny dots of colour will be enough of an indication to judge if one if actually in focus. Better than nothing for sure!

Edited September 11 by bghazzal

[hellhole]

when i saw the price at the show.. i was.. nah... i wont pay for a bigger screen... the focus peaking function is nice... 

 

i will be happy with focus peaking on the small screen of gopro... i am shooting macro anyway... my aim with the macro lens is to have it cover the whole gopro screen.